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Larry Griffin
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Rittman, Ohio, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2008 4:00 pm |
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| i have an 80's MSA super sustain 2 an im using a goodrich model 60 macthbox so i can get a brighter tone it just seems to give the guitat the tone im looking for but without it i can never get enough higs out of it my question is is there any way i could eliminate the matchbox an still get the tone im looking fo also it seems when the battery gets a bit low in the matchbox i start getting a scratchy sound or almost like a blown speaker sincerely Larry Griffin |
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Michael Douchette
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Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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Larry Scott
From:
Virginia, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2008 4:59 pm
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[quote="Michael Douchette"]You want an honest answer? If you have an 80's MSA, and it ain't bright enough... you need to have your hearing checked. Sounds like your high end is gone.[/quote
DAMMIT DOUCHETTE 
That sound like an ole P-town boy 
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Larry Griffin
From:
Rittman, Ohio, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2008 5:20 pm
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| thanks guys apreciate the honesty sometimes the truth hurts hey but thank ya anyway sincerly Larry Griffin |
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Larry Griffin
From:
Rittman, Ohio, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2008 5:21 pm
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tanks
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Larry Scott
From:
Virginia, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2008 5:22 pm
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| thanks guys apreciate the honesty sometimes the truth hurts hey but thank ya anyway sincerly Larry Griffin |
Mike's reply shows little class  |
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Michael Douchette
From:
Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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Larry Scott
From:
Virginia, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2008 5:54 pm
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| Michael Douchette wrote: |
| Larry Scott wrote: |
| Mike's reply shows little class |
Hey... Larry, facts is facts... both the hearing, and my classless answer... 
BTW, so good to see you the other day... |
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Larry Griffin
From:
Rittman, Ohio, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2008 6:59 pm
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| hes probably right ive worked in factories for bout 4o years now so im sure ive some hearing loss but i still enjoy playin just thought might get some different ideas an i got what i asked for sincerely Larry Griffin |
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Michael Douchette
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Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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Posted 22 Sep 2008 7:13 pm
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Larry, that's the most important thing. If you enjoy doing it, and you get to do it, that's fantastic. I know I've lost some of my high end, but it's not too bad, yet. Above 13-14 Khz is pretty well out. Considering I've been doing this for 34 years, I feel pretty well blessed at that.
Oh, and LS... sorry about the mixup. Dang, I hate getting older... 
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Mikey D... H.S.P.
Music hath the charm to soothe a savage beast, but I'd try a 10mm first.
http://www.steelharp.com
http://www.thesessionplayers.com/douchette.html
(other things you can ask about here)
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 22 Sep 2008 9:04 pm
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Sadly most of us are in the age bracket where
the highs we used to hear are no longer heard.
Mikey had taken his morning 'Blunt Much' pill,
but he was likely very much on the mark.
I found an MSA from the 80's pretty bright too.
40 years of factory noise, confirms this observation.
I would note that if the match box is boosting the highs
enough to make him THINK he hears it like he used to...
it probably is pretty piercing for the fully hearing.
You might consider asking a younger picker
who's ears and attitude you trust,
if he thinks you are too bright off stage.
As opposed to him just thinking you LIKE this sound like that.
Then take that with a grain of salt and may your won decision.
One solution if the ears are too gone up top,
is to add a small brighter speaker to you system
JUST for your ears,
and then your have amp tuned properly
aimed for the normal hearing world.
Some thoughts.
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DLD, Chili farmer. Plus bananas and papaya too.
Real happiness has no strings attached.
But pedal steels have many! |
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Michael Douchette
From:
Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 23 Sep 2008 2:39 am
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_________________
DLD, Chili farmer. Plus bananas and papaya too.
Real happiness has no strings attached.
But pedal steels have many! |
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Brad Sarno
From:
St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 23 Sep 2008 7:36 am
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I think it's important to address the idea of "highs" here. To some people, that means the crisp stuff well above 6kHz. To others that means the treble bite that tends to live around 3kHz. I think that if a player can get a nice sounding midrange and treble with just enough clarity up to 6kHz, then that can sound nice and also sound plenty bright.
I may be wrong on this, but as I understand it, Paul Franklin often records with his Boogie preamp using the "recording" outputs. Those have a filter on them that steeply dumps all the highs above 5kHz. And Paul gets a very clear and balanced tone with plenty of highs. So as many of us age and begin to lose our hearing above 10kHz, that really shouldn't be a problem when trying to get a nice and bright steel tone. The issue here may be trying to get the right tone character in the highs, and maybe not MORE highs. I think the easiest way to address this is to experiment with different pickups for that MSA. All pickups have a different character in their treble peak, and that is sort of the main voice or color of the pickup. That peak can be at a higher frequency, a lower frequency, it can be a wide and round peak, it can be a sharp and narrow peak, etc.
I just wanted to jump in and say it really may not be an issue of hearing loss, even if there is a loss of hearing in the extreme highs. It could be that even though you're getting more highs out of the Matchbox, the highs that are being enhanced aren't the highs you're looking for. There are lots of cool sounding pickups out there worthy of trying in that guitar.
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 23 Sep 2008 11:16 am
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| And Paul gets a very clear and balanced tone with plenty of highs. |
I must disagree, as I've never heard Paul's playing have what I would call "a lot of highs". His sound is very compressed and "middy", to my ears. Lot of highs? Think old Brumley, Emmons, or Myrick stuff - I think that's lots closer.
In order to help Larry, I'd have to know what kind of amp he's using, and how he has it set. Also, it could be he just has the volume pedal hooked up backwards (don't get offended, I've seen that several times before, even with long-term players). |
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Brad Sarno
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St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 23 Sep 2008 1:27 pm
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Donny,
I agree with you. Paul gets the "modern" midrangy tone, which I guess is what's deemed appropriate for modern country, a genre I don't understand at all. But the tone works fine and is appropriately bright for what it's going for. But sure, it's not a "bright" tone like old Buddy or Brumley. To me one of the greatest tones ever is what Lloyd got on that Charlie Pride Panther Hall record. And you gotta love Hal's tone on the classics. Or Hughey. Or Jimmy Day. Mooney... On and on. Tone used to be a lot brighter back when steel was more integral to the music. But that's another topic.
I guess my point was that the issue here may be that the treble character of his MSA pickup may not be what he wants to hear, and adding lots of extra top end isn't helping because it's not addressing the treble range at issue.
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Larry Griffin
From:
Rittman, Ohio, USA
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Posted 23 Sep 2008 2:46 pm thanks to everone
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hey guys i really appreciate all your input and it does give me different avenues to look at just to have so many different toughts one one subject is good a sincere thanks to all of you Larry Griffin  |
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