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Topic: Using a POD XT to get E66 tone..? |
Zeek Duff
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Longmont, Colorado, USA
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Posted 2 Sep 2008 5:59 pm |
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Hi folks,
I love the change I made from a D-10 to SDU-12, both have George L PUs, but my new ax has no model name on it, and I'm having a hard time getting the tone I got from the E66. It's not tone so much as the attack, it seemed to be kind of compressed initially, giving it a really nice funky sound. Has anyone used their POD to emulate that? I'm thinking it should be possible, but if someone can speed up the process having already gone for it, sure would appreciate the amp/cab settings you're using to get there! 
Best regards,
...z
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Jeff Valentine
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Colorado Springs, USA
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Posted 2 Sep 2008 7:12 pm
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Hey Zeek,
I live down in the Springs, so I guess we're not too far from each other. I honestly don't know how those pickups sound, so you'd have to describe it. I use a pod X3 exclusively and had an xt before I got this new one. I've designed lots of sounds and am very familiar with the various amps and cabs that make good combinations. I use different sounds for different tunes, and probably have something like what you're looking for. It would help if you could describe it using highs/mids/lows/delay/verb...... I'll help if I can.
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Zeek Duff
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Longmont, Colorado, USA
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Posted 2 Sep 2008 7:49 pm
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Hi Jeff,
Been down there many times, beautiful part of the state.
Anyway, I guess in terms of tone, it could be compared to a Strat on the neck & middle PUs, or that kind of "hollow" sound of a Gibson with Varitone that gets a very similar tone to the Strat. But, what I'm missing is not the tone as much as the behavior. Again, I can only describe it as an attack thing, and I have a feeling I'll find that behavior in one of the amp/cab settings, maybe like an old 50W Marshall head through a 4x12" Celestion slant-cab. I guy I played with back in the early '70s got that sound too, kind of a sweet cushiness in the attack that you think might build up too much but doesn't..? Something like that... Pisses me off that I had it, and now I can't seem to find it. It's a clean tone too, no crunch. I'll keep experimenting, sure seems like there are more than enough parameters available in the POD to recreate it. Thanks!
Best regards,
...z 
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Jeff Valentine
From:
Colorado Springs, USA
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Posted 3 Sep 2008 7:13 pm
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Hey Zeek,
So it sounds like you're looking for a certain quality of attack. Maybe less of a harsh twangy attack that is typical? It seems like you're looking for more of a gentle pure attack perhaps? I'll check my sounds tomorrow and see which amp/cabs I used, as there are a number of good combinations. I know for sure that I have some great ballad sounds that may be at least a good start for you. I've got an X3, but most of the sounds will transfer to the XT. I'm pretty sure the pods are compatible with each other. I've loaded some of the XT sounds on my X3 in the past. I'll let you know.
Jeff |
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Zeek Duff
From:
Longmont, Colorado, USA
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Posted 3 Sep 2008 8:58 pm
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Yeah, no twang, more of a slow rise after the attack. I have no clue how the PU was responsible for that, seems like I imagine it from old tube amps, and probably the 12ax7 preamp tubes. The POD "should" be capable of that, but back in the day, all the guitar amps used basically the same sets of tubes. The only reason I think it might be a preamp treatment is 'cause it's on the attack, not really a reasonable assumption on my part..
My time has been spent more on practicing a couple of jams than messing with the POD settings, but it's gotta be there. I'm going to study the manual a b it more tonight and see if I can find any "hint." Thanks Jeff, I appreciate your effort.
Best regards,
...z
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 3 Sep 2008 10:36 pm
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| What works for me for pedal steel is the Double Verb (which models a Twin Reverb) with a 15" speaker model. The 15" speaker model is not stock with the XT, but can be downloaded for it. |
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 4 Sep 2008 2:16 am
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I mainly use my POD XT for effects only, no preamp/speakers. However, I've got a couple of programs with preamps for recording or if I want to use my Crate Power Block and two speakers for a "stereo" system. I use the "Jazz Amp clean" and the 15" speaker for that.
But, I don't see how you can simulate any pickup. You can set the EQ for whatever response you want but that's not emulating a pickup. |
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Charlie McDonald
From:
out of the blue
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Posted 4 Sep 2008 4:04 am
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Zeek, I'm sure you've looked at this; the only thought that comes to mind is different string heights at the pickup after you replaced it.
Too little space between the pickup and string might diffuse the attack?
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Zeek Duff
From:
Longmont, Colorado, USA
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Posted 4 Sep 2008 10:09 am
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Jack - Thanks, it's not an EQ thing for sure, I might have better luck messing with compressor settings and some tube amp sims like Dave D has. (Thanks Dave)
Charlie - The "problem" is the E-66 sound I liked was on the guitar I traded for this one. This one is still a George L, but Bob Simmons said it's a "special" PU for this guitar. So,I haven't tried fooling with the PU height, but I don't want a One Trick Pony, either. I'm still hoping I can get "that" sound with the POD's parameters. 
EDIT: The E-66 had that sound on a clean setting I had on the POD, and it wasn't there on any of the others I was using, like some crunch, heavy delay, auto-wah, etc. It was there only on that one clean setting, and this guitar through that same setting just doesn't behave the same way. THAT is why I'm on a hunt.
Best regards,
...z 
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Zeek Duff in BEAUTIFUL COLORADO
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Ben Jones
From:
Seattle, Washington, USA
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Posted 4 Sep 2008 12:10 pm
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| Jack I am still using your pod tones for my recordings...just wanted to say thanks for sharing them! |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 4 Sep 2008 2:17 pm
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| If you like the E66 that much, why not put one on the guitar? They make a 12 string version. |
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