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Dennis Saydak
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Manitoba, Canada
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Posted 13 Aug 2008 1:14 pm |
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How does a beginner decide what copedent to use when graduating from a Carter Starter to a pro guitar with 3+5?
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Just when you think you're getting ahead in the rat race, the rats get faster. |
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Chuck Snider R.I.P.
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West Virginia, USA - Morgantown, WV
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Posted 13 Aug 2008 1:55 pm
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You should do a few searches within this forum as there have been a number of discussions about this topic, and there are a number of differing opinions. I am also going from a Carter Starter, and wasn't sure what path to take. After reading numerous threads here and lookign at the layout for a U-12 (Universal 12 string) I decided I could still concentrate on E9 setup except for one string. Most of the education material will work on the U-12. The pedals and knee levers were basically the same as my 10 string E9. It would be lighter to haul around, and when I was ready would have the flexibility to use the C6 side of things on the fly. Using a double neck I believe requires one to first off switch to the other neck, and also flip a switch to change pickups. Going with the U-12 was simpler in the long run. From all I found, instead of thinking of it as an E9th and a C6 separately, think of it as one neck with loads more capabilities and learn it that way.
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GFI U-12 Ultra Keyless, Carter Black U-12, both with Alumitones, and a sweet '70 Sho-Bud Permanent D-10, NV400 in Rick Johnson cabs, NV112, '73 Vibrosonic in Rick Johnson cabs, Hilton pedal, Steeler's Choice seat, Bessdang Gizmos from Dale Hansen, and a few other widgets and doodads.
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Jon Light
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 13 Aug 2008 2:00 pm
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Click Links>Copedents at the top of the page and study on some of the options.
A lot of thought went into the C-S setup. But there are other options---the E lower lever could have been on RKL, for instance. And they decided that the X lever (B lower) was important enough to include but you may want it on the vertical lever. Or not, if you are very accustomed to it where it is.
I would suggest that unless you are attached to what you have been working with (which is cool) or unless you have strong ideas that you wish to implement (which is also cool) you should consider going with one of the standard configs you will see in that link on the top.
I'd also suggest that you ask on the forum something like
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| How does a beginner decide what copedent to use when graduating from a Carter Starter to a pro guitar with 3+5? |
As to Uni or not---well, that's what I play but that's a whole nuther question. |
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Chuck Snider R.I.P.
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West Virginia, USA - Morgantown, WV
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Posted 13 Aug 2008 2:03 pm
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Sorry, I meant to paste this in here before. If you compare the E9, C6, and the 12 String Universal, i think you'll see how going to the U-12 shouldn't be overly difficult. They didn't transfer into here like I thought they might. A better image of them is at this link on GFI's website http://www.gfimusicalproducts.com/Tables/Copedant%20Tables.htm
GFI E9 Copedent
String Gauge Pitch P1 P2 P3 P4 P5 P6 P7 P8 LKL V LKR RKL RKR
1 .012p F# - - - - - - - - - - - G# -
2 .015p D# - - - - - - - - - - - E D/C#
3 .011p G# - A - - - - - - - - - - -
4 .014p E - - F# - - - - - F - D# - -
5 .018p B C# - C# - - - - - - A# - - -
6 .022p G# - A - - - - - - - - - F# -
7 .026w F# - - - - - - - - - - - - -
8 .030w E - - - - - - - - F - D# - -
9 .034w D - - - - - - - - - - - - C#
10 .038w B C# - - - - - - - - A# - - -
GFI C6 Copedent
String Gauge Pitch P1 P2 P3 P4 P5 P6 P7 P8 LKL LKR V RKL RKR
1 .011p G - - - - G# - - - - - - - -
2 .014p E - - - - - F - - - - - - -
3 .018p C - - - - - - D - - - - B -
4 .022p A - - - B - - B - - - - - -
5 .024w G - - - - F# - - - - - - - -
6 .030w E - - - - - D# - - - - - - -
7 .036w C - - - - - - - C# - - - - -
8 .042w A - - - B - - - - - - - - -
9 .054w F - - - - F# - - E - - - - -
10 .068w C - - - - D - - A - - - - -
GFI 12 String Universal Copedent
String Gauge Pitch P1 P2 P3 P4 P5 P6 P7 LKL V LKR RKL RKR
1 .012p F# - - - - - - - - - - G -
2 .015p D# - - - - - - - - - - - D
3 .011p G# - A - - - - - - - - - -
4 .014p E - - F# - - F - F - D# - -
5 .018p B C# - C# - - - C# - A# - - -
6 .022p G# - A - - - - A# - - - - -
7 .026w F# - - - - F - - - - - G -
8 .030w E - - - - - D - F - D# - -
9 .038w B C# - - C - - - - - - - D
10 .042w G# - A - - - - - - - - - -
11 .054w E - - - D# F - - - - - - -
12 .068w B - - - G# C# - - - - - - -
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GFI U-12 Ultra Keyless, Carter Black U-12, both with Alumitones, and a sweet '70 Sho-Bud Permanent D-10, NV400 in Rick Johnson cabs, NV112, '73 Vibrosonic in Rick Johnson cabs, Hilton pedal, Steeler's Choice seat, Bessdang Gizmos from Dale Hansen, and a few other widgets and doodads.
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Rick Winfield
From:
Pickin' beneath the Palmettos
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Posted 13 Aug 2008 2:04 pm uni copedant
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It's important to realize that most of the Uni's require a changer with a triple raise/double lower capability.
Jeff Newman has one that uses 6 pedals and 4 levers, and he has a course on the E9/B6 tuning.As said before... all your E9 stuff will work until your ready to integrate the B6.
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 18 Aug 2008 6:56 am Re: Copedent Decision
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| Dennis Saydak wrote: |
| How does a beginner decide what copedent to use when graduating from a Carter Starter to a pro guitar with 3+5? |
Since any pro guitar will be re-configurable, I'd suggest you try whatever tuning setup it comes with for awhile before you go changing things. (You might like it!) Unless you, personally, are finding something seriously lacking in the 10-string E9th, there's no good reason to go with a universal. One of the best ways to decide which type of guitar to use is to select the type that most of your favorite players use. If most of your favorites play 10 stringers, get a 10. If most of your faves play the 12-string universal variety, go with that instead. |
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