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Topic: Both Necks E9 on a D10 |
Bill Hatcher
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Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 6:13 am |
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Anyone ever toy with the idea of using the back neck of a D10 as another form of an E9. For players that do not play C6 at all, I can see some interesting variations on using the back neck to open up even more sonic potential in another E9 tuning. You could use a D9 or C9 for extending the range down or tune in a baritone or a octave lower E9.
Just thinking....any of you adventurous types ever do this? |
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Gary Dunn
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near Camel City, NC
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 6:22 am
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Yup! An all-pull neck on the front neck with a humbucker for a modern sound and a push-pull neck on the back with a single coil for the classic sound.
Thought about a double E for some time now.
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R Crow
From:
Hectorville, OK USA
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 7:15 am
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Jeff Surratt built his ShowPro with six pedals, three on each neck. He tunes the back neck to D9 and has a printed circuit wired in that simulates a Dobro. Use the pedals, Pedabro, hold them down, G Dobro. Turn off the simulater, regular D9th.
He builds a beautiful guitar, is one fantastic player, is one of the nicest people you will ever meet and as you can see, he's pretty smart too.
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Stuart Legg
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 7:43 am
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| I would think the time you use modifying your PSG and learning all those pedals on another form of E9 would be better spent learning how to play the C6 neck. |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 9:11 am
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I brought this up almost 10 years ago.
CLICK HERE
Scroll down and read my comments. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 10:07 am
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| why not buy johnny cox's triple neck zum and have three e9 necks...! |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 2:22 pm
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| why not buy johnny cox's triple neck zum and have three e9 necks...! |
'Cuz it would probably cause 3 of my vertabrae to explode.
And to answer the question, Nope. E9th and C6th all the way for me. |
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Michael Johnstone
From:
Sylmar,Ca. USA
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 11:02 pm
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| Learn C6. It'll make you a better person - and you'll get more sophisticated chicks. |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 11:52 pm
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| Michael Johnstone wrote: |
| Learn C6. ... you'll get more sophisticated chicks. |
I'm sticking with E9. |
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Danny Bates
From:
Fresno, CA. USA
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 11:54 pm
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I used the back neck as an armrest for a long time.
In March, I started learning the C6 neck and now I'm hooked and I'm really loving it.
Just get the Buddy Emmons Basic C6 course and make a commitment for 6 months. If you're not hooked at that point, get a setup like Jeff Surratt uses. |
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Danny Bates
From:
Fresno, CA. USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 12:08 am
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E9th Chicks...
C6 Chicks...
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 12:46 am
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Danny,
What pecentage of playing time do I need to put in on my C6th neck to get the C6th chick in your pics? I play C6th about 25% of the time and can barely bag one of the E9th chicks.  |
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Danny Bates
From:
Fresno, CA. USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 1:09 am
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Richard,
You'd have to ask Michael Johnstone that question. I was just trying to show Ernest he's making a big mistake by wanting to stick to the E9th neck strictly because of his desire for unsophisticated chicks.
You can easily see in the pictures, the typical chick following the C6 player around has much better taste in vehicles and jackets.
Earnest has played a long time and a lot of C6 neck so I think he's just getting tired of chasing away women like this every night.
I'm married and I don't have to worry about that kinda stuff anymore.
However, other pedal steel players have told me that spending at least 80% of your time on the C6 neck will yield the most favorable results. Always consult your Doctor before beginning any rigorous exercise program. |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 8:42 am
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Richard and Danny, you both could probably get that C6th chick in the picture if you wanted her. I think that's Ursula Andress who's an old woman now and don't look that good anymore.........JH in Va.
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Olli Haavisto
From:
Jarvenpaa,Finland
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 9:43 am
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A U-12 on the front neck and a non pedal 6 or 8 sring with a Lollar pup on the back. I think I will ask Bill Rudolph to make me one someday....
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Danny Bates
From:
Fresno, CA. USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 10:19 am
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Jerry,
Now that you mention it, I saw a pimp wearing that exact jacket. He was also driving that motorbike down to Ernest Tubbs record shop way back in '62... Darn it all! |
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Jack Stanton
From:
Somewhere in the swamps of Jersey
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 7:23 pm
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| I believe Hank Divito used to (and maybe still)tunes his back neck to E9th an octave lower. You can hear it on Emmy Lou Harris' version of "Burn That Candle". There's a riff he answers Emmy when she sings "burn that candle " that he doubles with himself on the front neck. Pretty neat, but I'm stickin' with my C6th! |
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James Collett
From:
San Dimas, CA
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 8:00 pm
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I'm pretty sure I've read somewherethat the great Ralph Mooney has (or still does) tunes his front neck his E9b5 tuning as well, to have a backup for string breakage. Hmm... but then again, Winnie Winston's book said he tuned it open A... 
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Stu Schulman
From:
Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 8:13 pm
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Good thread Bill,I would like to mess around with a D9th either on a second neck or another guitar.I tried a B9th years ago but I never had the right gauge strings.These days it's E9th+C6th.
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 1 Aug 2008 10:21 am
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| At one point I insanely bought a D12 with the idea of having E9/B6 uni on the back neck and a 12-string Sacred Steel E7 tuning on the front neck. But after looking at the work required for the conversion, I sanely decided it would be just too much guitar, and that chasing different tunings like that would be a crutch for just learning to get whatever I need from a single-neck uni. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 2 Aug 2008 11:08 am
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david..wow..that steel would certainly cover just about anything you could want to play, you would think!
i think you're right about the s12 uni also..that should cover anything you can figure out on it..
that's the route i would go if i were just starting out..but too old and lazy now! |
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Rick Winfield
From:
Pickin' beneath the Palmettos
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Posted 4 Aug 2008 4:05 am back neck
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Maybe you could convert the back neck to a Zane Beck tuning. Lotsa tight harmonies there. Of course you would lost the bottom 2 bass strings.
Rick |
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David Cook
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 4 Aug 2008 8:52 am
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| I know this has been asked before but why don't people use D9 instead of E9. I find the string gauges on E9 to be too thin sounding for strings 3 and 4. Why not D9? I know the guitar is built for E9 gauges but what if. Thanks |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 4 Aug 2008 9:23 am
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I've heard that D9 is popular in Louisiana. It works very well for Cajun tunes, which tend to be in D, G and A.
If you alternate between P5 and P4 on the C6th copedent, you can get the E9th changes with the darker D9th timbre. I sometimes switch to C6th just to get that thicker sound. A lot of the common E9th licks are possible on C6th when you think of the P5 (D9th) position as "home".
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Bob Hickish
From:
Port Ludlow, Washington, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 5 Aug 2008 6:05 am
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think of the P5 (D9th) position as "home".
How cool is that !!! Thanks for that tip b0b
What's funny is when I play E9th I'm playing off all the 6th positions
and on C6th I'm looking for the 9th positions . figure that one !!
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