Tricone Swing

Lee Baucum · From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier

Mark Eaton · Posted 29 May 2008 7:24 pm

OK - kinda cool...but I can't imagine going to a club or small concert hall and sitting through 60-90 minutes of that.
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Roger Shackelton · From: MINNESOTA (deceased)

YUP! Real cool for about 2 minutes. Smile

Edward Meisse · From: Santa Rosa, California, USA

Excuse me please, gentlemen. But these same guys have a pretty good version of Swing 42 up as well. Douce Ambience isn't as good. But the guys are worth more than the cheap dismissal you're giving them. I'd say they have a great idea that needs some work.
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Fred Kinbom · From: Berlin, Germany, via Stockholm, Sweden.

That is a clip by my good friends Paolo Conti and Seb Menière. Paolo is 27 years old and one of the very best lap steel players I know of. I have shared many bills at gigs in France with them, and they are great and keep getting better. Here is a more recent recording than the one posted above (which was recorded only a few weeks after they first played together):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9_4ecNUqpw

Mark and Roger - I look forward to hearing some swing playing from you two. If you slag someone off like that, please post something better of your own!

Fred
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Howard Tate · From: Leesville, Louisiana, USA, R.I.P.

I think these guys are terrific. I guess you either like Gypsy Jazz or you don't. Personally I love it. Did anyone notice the finger picks? That's the first time I've actually seen any one using that kind.

Brad Bechtel · From: San Francisco, CA

I don't think they're necessarily dismissing their performance as much as saying they don't like that style of music (please let me know if I'm wrong). That style of "gypsy jazz" or "jazz manouche" isn't everyone's cup of tea, in the same way that most Hawaiian, jazz and country music doesn't appeal to everyone.

Asking them to do a better version of a style they don't care for would be an exercise in futility.

Personally I think the tricone fits well within that style of music, and their performance was energetic and entertaining. I wish I could take my tricone to Paris with me!
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Kevin Greenberg · From: Lakewood, CA

Personally, I think it's great. Bravo to Paolo and Seb. Obviously you guys don't like jazz or swing. And you're not going to listen to the same song for an hour anyways, so who cares how long you can listen to it. I heard this guy play some really nice Hawaiian licks on Youtube, and I wouldn't doubt it if he could play country better than most of us. I'd like to see how well YOU can play swing or Gypsy jazz. Let's keep the Steel Guitar Forum a POSITIVE place of sharing, learning, and encouragement. Not a place of negativity.

Steinar Gregertsen · From: Arendal, Norway, R.I.P.

I love that style and wish I could play like that. I'll definitely look into it during my next lifetime... Alien

Steinar
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Todd Weger · From: Safety Harbor, FLAUSA

I think Paulo plays great, and like Steinar, I would love to learn to play in that style. In fact, this has inspired me to investigate it more.

I also think the tricone works particularly well in this context. The singing quality mixed with the guitar voicings remind me of that old Reese's Peanutbutter Cup ad, but here, it's Grappelli and Rheinhardt who bump into each other, and out comes a tricone... Cool

Thanks for posting that!
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Chris Drew · From: Bristol, UK

They play so well together... you can tell by that early recording that they were going to "gel" well.

Truly most entertaining!

Seb's beard rocks too - I showed that vid to a friend of mine & he said "Hey, is that your brother?" Laughing

Mike Neer · From: NJ

French cooking.
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Andy Sandoval · From: Bakersfield, California, USA

I like the second linked song lots more than the first. They definitely make a good team.

Edward Meisse · From: Santa Rosa, California, USA

Well, as Fred said, that second performance was a while after the first. By then some work had been done. Every bit as spirited as the first. But much sharper I'd say. What'd I tell y'all? Smile

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CrowBear Schmitt · From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

the jazz manouche (or gypsy jazz as mentioned) is very "a la mode" (the in thang) here in france
like sacred steel or robert randolph, it is'nt everyone's cup of tea
so what ?
django & stephane influenced american musik 80 odd years ago w: that kinda stuff
Vive la difference ! Winking

Vive le Jazz Hot ! Very Happy

Mark Eaton · Posted 31 May 2008 10:15 am

OK, Jeezez Jones, back off fellas!

Shocked

My apologies to Paolo, apparently my post above came off as being a bit brusque, and that was not my intention.

The man is obviously a good player, I guess this particular piece didn't quite do it for me. I should have done a better job of articulating my thoughts. There is sort of a "franticness" (if I may invent a new word) to it that wasn't my cup of tea. I have checked out some of the other postings which I must say, I enjoyed more.

Kevin Greenberg wrote: "Obviously you guys don't like jazz or swing..."

Kevin, I can't speak for Roger, but as for myself, I don't know how you can assume from one sentence that I don't like jazz or swing, and that it is in fact "obvious."

Let me draw an analogy: Remember that high speed guitar solo in the Woodstock film by Alvin Lee of Ten Years After on the song "I'm Goin' Home?" I have discussed this a few times with friends, that thought that was the greatest guitar solo since sliced bread. I never liked it, I always though it was over-the-top and self-indulgent. I guess that means that I don't care for Rock music?

I bought my first Django Reinhardt albums on vinyl, back in the 70's, when I was about 18 or 19. Some of you may be familiar with the David Grisman/Stephane Grapelli live album recorded live during that era at the Paul Masson Mountain Winery in Saratoga in the Bay Area - I was at one of the shows, so when you hear the applause, two of those hands in the background belong to me.

As for another example of Gypsy Jazz on the resonator guitar, check out the link below. The tall thin gentleman on the right side of the screen is the man to which I have to give credit for turning me on to one of the finest modern Gypsy jazz guitarists several years ago, Bireli Lagrene. I wasn't real hip to Bireli until this picker told me about him after a show in which he played some Gypsy jazz on the dobro.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ZGt7k1-hCs
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Edward Meisse · From: Santa Rosa, California, USA

Impressive. This is just one of the directions I hope our instrument is head in. But I wish Rob would get a tricone.
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CrowBear Schmitt · From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

Yep ! Bireli is the real deal
check out Tchavolo Schmitt :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6TgBwVlmnB4

great clip Mark
Winking

David Doggett · Posted 2 Jun 2008 7:50 am

Aside from those who simply don't care for this genre, there are a couple of legitimate issues raised or implied above. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think this music was ever intended for lengthy sit down concerts - it was cafe background music. Maybe putting this (and many other types of popular music, including almost everything I play) on the concert stage for hours of undivided attention would be a bit of modern pretense.

Second, in the first clip, there seemed to be some sacrifice of intonation for speed. The same problem can heard with fiddlers. The ones that one can stand to listen to for extended periods have dead on intonation at any speed, which was acquired over many years of playing. I doubt this guy has that kind of experience on steel. That the same guy sounds better on later and slower numbers tends to confirm that. Playing very fast with good intonation is a general problem with all fretless stringed instruments. This kind of music really highlights the problem. I don't mean to be hyper-critical; but we are all grown up musicians here, not adoring groupies. Of course it is way better than anything I can do, or would attempt. Confused

Kevin Greenberg · From: Lakewood, CA

Hey Mark, it's great that you're a fan of jazz and swing. And it's great that you consider yourself a critic. Now let's hear your Gypsy jazz playing and see how it measures up.

Mark Eaton · Posted 2 Jun 2008 9:25 pm

I need to get some technology, and I would be willing to give it a shot - it shouldn't be half as bad as some of the stuff people post on You Tube (and no, that is not a veiled reference to Paolo, I already apologized once for my original post).

Hey - I'll post one if you agree to do one yourself, that would only be fair.

I wonder if Andy Warhol ever envisioned that a person, through the magic of the internet, could have their 15 minutes of fame on a daily basis?
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Kevin Greenberg · From: Lakewood, CA

It's going to have to be a Mexican stand-off, Mark. I lack the equipment as well. I was just trying to egg you on into posting some stuff for us to hear. I wanted to hear the critic's chops. I'd probably get smoked anyways. I can't play that Gypo jazz stuff yet, only basic swing type stuff so far.

Mark Eaton · Posted 2 Jun 2008 10:18 pm

Kevin, you seem to confuse the concept of being a critic with the concept of having an opinion about something.
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Edward Meisse · From: Santa Rosa, California, USA

You're right, Mr. Doggett. Intonation is one of the things I was alluding to when I said that their idea needed some work. And you're right also about it not being concert music even though it is used as such these days.
What I complain about most often when discussing Gypsy jazz is the tendency to play it too fast. By too fast I mean so fast that intonation cannot be maintained, that the rhythym of the tune's original melody CAN"T be adhered to and The musicians are struggling so hard to maintain the pace that the rendition becomes lifeless. These guys weren't that bad. But on that first number they could have slowed down some.
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Kevin Greenberg · From: Lakewood, CA

Hey Mark,

critic

noun
1. a person who is professionally engaged in the analysis and interpretation of works of art
2. anyone who expresses a reasoned judgment of something
3. someone who frequently finds fault or makes harsh and unfair judgments

We're all critics.

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