question about F in the key of G ?

Terry Sneed · From: Arkansas,

Our Gospel group is learning a new song called "Something Out Of Nothing" by mike Bowling.
Goin into the Chorus it goes from a I chord on the first word, to an F major chord on the second word, then into a IV chord. I know the F# is the seventh note of the G scale, so what would F be in the number system.?
I'm goin to learn this chord theory and number system if it kills me. Very Happy

Terry

Lee Baucum · From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier

Is it truly going to an F chord, or is just the bass going to F? It could possibly be a G chord, with an F in the bass, usually written like this - G/F. I see that a lot in Gospel and Contemporary Christian music.
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Dave Mudgett · From: Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee

In the key of G, F is the flatted 7th tone - b7.

F, or b7, is not in the G major (Ionian mode) scale, but is in some of the other G modal scales like the Dorian and Aeolian modes (both minor modes) and the mixolydian (a major mode with a b7).

You can start to learn about the modes by googling "modal scales" or try here for a start:

http://www.playpiano.com/101-tips/46-modal-scales.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_mode

I also have the same question Lee asked - is it really an F major chord, or is it a G7 with the b7 (F) in the bass note? I agree - that is something I also hear a lot in church music, especially when moving from the I to the IV. G7 is composed of the 1, 3, 5, and b7 tones, but they may appear in different order that that. Of course, it could be moving to the F chord too.

G7 with the b7 in the bass would like something like F G B D or F B D G, while F major would be F A C.

Jody Cameron · From: Angleton, TX,, USA

7b ("seven flat")

Benton Allen · From: Muscle Shoals, Alabama, USA

Ok, I'll bite, my guess is-----7.

Here's a partial clip of my friend Reggie Duncan playing the break on this song. If you can make it sound like this, your gospel group will love you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeI5NO4t6DY

J D Sauser · From: Wellington, Florida

Jody Sanders · From: Magnolia,Texas, R.I.P.

JC you are right. JB.

Terry Sneed · From: Arkansas,

Antolina · From: Dunkirk NY

Matt Elsen · From: Deer Harbor, Orcas Island, WA

Nice clip, Benton! Your friend Reggie just knocks it out of the park, doesn't he?

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Howard Tate · From: Leesville, Louisiana, USA, R.I.P.

I believe for it to have that dominant seventh sound it would be written b77 or bVII7.

Chris Brooks · From: Providence, Rhode Island

Terry:

You are confusing a "(dominant) seventh chord" with a chord built on the seventh tone of the scale. These are two different entities.

A "7th chord" is a flavor of a chord--a type of chord, just like "major," minor" and "diminished." As many on the Forum will certify, it is built 1 3 5 b7. So when someone says "Play a C7 chord," this is what he or she is talking about.

But here you are talking about a movement from the I chord to the bVII ("flat seven," to avoid confusion with "seventh"). The I chord could be a major, minor, etc--but I'll bet it's a major. So your 1 is a G.

It is moving to a chord built on the b7 tone of the G scale: an F. And I'll bet it is a major type chord too. Then that b7 major chord resolves to a IV chord: a C in the key of G.

So to "say" the progression, say "One, flat-seven, four."

You can see that a musician should be able to spell at least the major scale in each key in order to find the notes. If you don't know the (natural)seven note, you won't know the flat seven note. Let's begin with G!!

G A B C D E F# G

Now descending---ooh, that's harder!

Once again, be careful about "the seven chord" and "a seventh chord!"

Hope this helps. Chris

Max W. Thompson · From: Texas, USA

An F Major chord in the key of G major is called the IV/IV (the "four of four").
The F chord is the IV chord of C Major which is the IV chord of G Major, so it is the "four of four".

This old type of nomenclature can also be used to describe the "Major 2" used in a lot of country music, as in having a D Major chord in the Key of C Major. (Your Cheating Heart, etc.)

The D Major is the V chord of G Major which is the V of C Major, so the D Major is called V/V or "five of five". It is usually used to lead to the V which leads to the I.

basilh · From: United Kingdom

Never knew that !!

Terry Sneed · From: Arkansas,

Dave Mudgett · From: Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee

James Harrison · From: New Brockton, Alabama, USA

WOW! It took some head scratching,but now I believe I understand it. I hope I never have to try to explain it. Whoa!

Terry Sneed · From: Arkansas,

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