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Topic: 10th string low E to A change???? |
Twayn Williams
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Posted 28 Apr 2008 10:01 am |
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I don't imagine this would work, but I figured I'd ask anyway.
If I were to retune my 10th string from B to E (like on a six-string) how high could I get the string to go on the A pedal? Ok, so my fantasy is to tune E-B-E on the bottom 3 strings and on the AB pedal push have A-C#-E. Am I out in complete la-la land here???
For reference, I have a GFI S10.
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Tony Prior
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Posted 28 Apr 2008 10:16 am
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no such thing as la la land. Are you asking if you can take a low E up to an A note, the 4th ?
man thats a lot on the changer and the string. I am thinking that the changer can't take it that hi and if it did what would happen to the 5th sting with that real long pull ? Somehow I think a full tone or perhaps a full tone and a half are within the limits of these beasts.
try it..tune it down and see if you can tweak it up a 4th ! |
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Twayn Williams
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Portland, OR
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Posted 28 Apr 2008 12:20 pm
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Yup, E to A like on a six-string! A pull of a perfect 4th. It really doesn't seem likely to me, but you never know, lots of people do lots of weird things to their guitars! Just wanted to see if anyone's tried such a thing.
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Donny Hinson
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Posted 28 Apr 2008 3:44 pm
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Here's a little tip: Tune the string down to the lowest note you want, and then stick a large Phillips screwdriver into an empty hole on the raise finger (at the endplate) and just push it! That'll tell you how far the note will raise.  |
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Greg Gefell
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Posted 29 Apr 2008 8:36 am
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Twayn - interesting idea if the changer can pull off the move. The only other problem I see is string tension. I've tuned my B to E before and noticed that it sounded sharp right after picking the string and then it would settle into pitch after a second or so.
Also - what would you do about the missing D string? |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 29 Apr 2008 2:30 pm
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" what would you do about the missing D string?"
You'd do what we Uni players do. Pull the B up to D with another knee lever. When I switched from D-10 to U-12, I had no trouble adapting to that. |
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Twayn Williams
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Portland, OR
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Posted 29 Apr 2008 2:51 pm
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| Greg Gefell wrote: |
| Also - what would you do about the missing D string? |
Right now I have the 9th tuned to C# and I put a pull to D on RKR. I found the dom7 to be constantly in my way, and I figured if I needed that note, I'd either move the bar or get it with the knee lever. It's working out pretty well for me so far!
My new plan is to tune 10 to E and 9 to B. The A pedal would raise B-C#, and I'd love it if I could get E-A as well!
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Tony Prior
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Charlotte NC
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Posted 30 Apr 2008 3:48 am
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One thing worth mentioning, I have the full tone 10th string lower on my Steel which I use a lot,I mean a lot, along with the full tone raise on the same string which is pretty much standard.
I have indeed lost a couple 10th strings over the past months or so from the stress. Thats a lot of work for a string, especially one of those wound bad boys. The strings didn't break, they started coming unwound at the ball end. The gauge is 36W. |
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Greg Gefell
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Upstate NY
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Posted 30 Apr 2008 5:42 am
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| Tony, do you lower the B on the G# raise pedal or is it on its own knee lever? |
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 30 Apr 2008 8:30 am
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I predict Twayn is on his way to becoming an S12U player!
"Why wait any longer for the world to begin
You can have your cake and eat it too"
~Bob Dylan |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 30 Apr 2008 11:04 am
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Greg, I lower 10,6 and 5 with the Franklin Pedal, which is at the 0 PED position.( left of the A pedal )
thanks
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Twayn Williams
From:
Portland, OR
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Posted 30 Apr 2008 12:14 pm
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| Pete Burak wrote: |
| I predict Twayn is on his way to becoming an S12U player! |
Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't really even handle 10 strings, let alone 12!!! 
But you're right, what really I want is a universal tuning on the 10-string. I know of a few, like from Al Marcus and Jim Sliff, so I'm in the info gathering stage right now.
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Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Posted 30 Apr 2008 3:49 pm
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Twayn,
I have a ShoBud Pro-1 S10 that started life as a 3x1, but is now an S10U 7x5, but my bottom 2 strings are 9=B, 10=G#.
The B pulls to C# on the A-pedal.
The G# pulls to A on the B pedal.
With E's lowered, it B6th.
Strings 8,9,10, are same as strings 4,5,6... E,B,G#, with the same pedal changes.
Makes gettin' around a bit easier on the ol' noodle.
You're welcome to check it out sometime.
Pete B. |
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Tony Dingus
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Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 30 Apr 2008 5:39 pm
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Jim Vest would tune the 10th to F# and raise it to A using the same pull from B to C# on the A pedal. Try different string gauges and see if it will work. Let us know how it works out.
Tony |
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Twayn Williams
From:
Portland, OR
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Posted 1 May 2008 9:05 am
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| Pete Burak wrote: |
Twayn,
I have a ShoBud Pro-1 S10 that started life as a 3x1, but is now an S10U 7x5, but my bottom 2 strings are 9=B, 10=G#.
The B pulls to C# on the A-pedal.
The G# pulls to A on the B pedal.
With E's lowered, it B6th.
Strings 8,9,10, are same as strings 4,5,6... E,B,G#, with the same pedal changes.
Makes gettin' around a bit easier on the ol' noodle.
You're welcome to check it out sometime.
Pete B. |
Nice! Why didn't I think of that? When I get done recording the demo for my prog/metal/opera band I'd love check it out!
I think one of the appeals to using a low E on 10 would be a nice power chord on the bottom of E-B-E. It'd soothe my rock-n-roll heart  The problem of course, as has been pointed out, is I'd need 11 strings to really accomplish what I want, and by that point I'd might as well go to a 12-string.
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Twayn Williams
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Posted 1 May 2008 9:06 am
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| Tony Dingus wrote: |
Jim Vest would tune the 10th to F# and raise it to A using the same pull from B to C# on the A pedal. Try different string gauges and see if it will work. Let us know how it works out.
Tony |
How weird, I actually dreamed about this very change last night! Spoooookyyyy!!
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Donny Hinson
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Posted 2 May 2008 3:17 am
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Lowering the 10th string to A with one of your levers (used in combination with the "A" pedal), gives you a great power chord using strings 6-8-10.
I've been doing that since '73.  |
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Ernest Cawby
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Lake City, Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 2 May 2008 4:49 am lower
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Some guitars have no trouble lowering 2 whole tones my Willy lowers the 6th string down 2 tones, with no trouble.
ernie |
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Twayn Williams
From:
Portland, OR
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Posted 5 May 2008 12:22 pm
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| Donny Hinson wrote: |
| Here's a little tip: Tune the string down to the lowest note you want, and then stick a large Phillips screwdriver into an empty hole on the raise finger (at the endplate) and just push it! That'll tell you how far the note will raise. |
I managed to get around to this over the weekend, I tuned my 10string B down to E and used a screwdriver to push on the changer finger, and by golly, it went up way over A! Now I'll need to change out the string to a heavy E string and try it again.
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Greg Gefell
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Upstate NY
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Posted 5 May 2008 12:42 pm
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| I suspect you may have to meet in the middle and put on a string gauge that would naturally give you a G or an F#. That way you're neither raising nor lowering it more than 1 step and a half beyond its recommended tension. |
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Brint Hannay
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Maryland, USA
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Posted 5 May 2008 12:54 pm
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| Tony Dingus wrote: |
Jim Vest would tune the 10th to F# and raise it to A using the same pull from B to C# on the A pedal. Try different string gauges and see if it will work. Let us know how it works out.
Tony |
You can hear that change in use on Johnny Paycheck's "Slide Off Of Your Satin Sheets". Very Cool! |
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Tony Dingus
From:
Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 5 May 2008 6:07 pm
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Hey Brint, he used it on Set 'em up Joe too. I used it on a session the other day, it's a nice change.
Tony |
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