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Topic: broke 3 G#s |
Calvin Walley
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colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 28 Jan 2008 4:29 pm |
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today i broke the 3rd string , so i thought no problem i have a couple more ...wrong
i broke 2 new strings plus an old one i had saved before i got it replaced , at the moment it is on and tuned but I'm sure in a few minutes it will detune and i will keep my fingers crossed when i bring it back to pitch
i have broke 1 before but never 3
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Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
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Bob Baringer
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Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 28 Jan 2008 4:36 pm
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| Calvin, I broke four, one right after another, I thought something was wrong on the guitar but it turned out I got a batch of bad strings,put on other strings and all was OK |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 28 Jan 2008 5:30 pm
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i have had that problem with a bad batch of brittle strings bought at the same time.......go to another store...but take the ones that broke back to the store and have them replace them with decent quality strings from a new production batch!
they probably won't understand or like you! |
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Tommy Young
From:
Ethelsville Alabama
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Posted 28 Jan 2008 5:52 pm
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Calvin check to see if you have a rough place on the changer finger just above the pin that holds or the slot if yours has that style, if this part has a rough spot on it, it will continue to break strings also you need to put a lot of excess string on those single strings so that it will fill to the larger part of the string tuner on the other end of it if you pay close attention to the strings find out which end is breaking so that will be the end to check out hope this helps you
TOMMY YOUNG
MAX-TONE MODIFICATIONS
WHEN YOUR GUITARS TONE HAS TO BE ITS VERY BEST |
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Dale Hansen
From:
Hendersonville,Tennessee, (USA)
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Posted 28 Jan 2008 5:57 pm
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Calvin, I concur with Bob.
I think you got into a bad batch.
In 89', on my first night of a ten week run in Anchorage, I broke about 5 or 6 011's and was near panic thinking something was very wrong with the guitar. I finally began to suspect the strings, and (luckily) happened upon some older stock that I had left over.
Before we left civilization, I had bought a couple ten packs of GHS 011's.
Needless to say, I pitched em' all in the round file, and never had that happen again. |
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 28 Jan 2008 5:58 pm
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I'm with Tommy - it would be VERY unusual to have that many "duds" in a row. You might need a photgrapher's loupe (magnifying glass to see the surface closely, but I'm certain it's either a tiny burr or a combination of a tiny burr AND picking technique; I know players who appear to pick hard but never break strings, yet some who pick lightly and break them constantly. The attack, pick angle and direction of travel (across or down on the strings) all have a significant effect on string breakage. If the very start of your "stroke" scrapes the string on the saddle, you need to work on altering technique, for example.
Hope that helps.
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Bob Doran
From:
Ames, Iowa, USA
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Posted 28 Jan 2008 6:09 pm Strings break
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If that happened to me, I would start tuning to D9.
Bob |
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Billy Carr
From:
Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)
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Posted 28 Jan 2008 6:18 pm G#
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| The burr thing could be the problem but what I found that basically eliminated 3rd string breakage for me was a suggestion I got from Jeff Newman. I use a .012P and change it out about every 30 days or so. |
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Jim Eaton
From:
Santa Susana, Ca
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Posted 28 Jan 2008 6:19 pm
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Did they break at the changer end or the key head?
If it is the key end, look for a sharp edge in the hole in the shaft of the key itself. Use a cotton ball and wipe it across both sides of the hole in the shaft, any burr will snag some of the cotton and show you where it is. If you see a sharp edge, smooth it out with some fine emory paper.
The cotton ball trick will also find burrs on the changer finger. Hope this helps.
JE:-). |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 28 Jan 2008 6:24 pm
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Tommy ,Jim
i have checked and rechecked the changer finger nothing i could see.
every string broke about 1 -1/2 inches from the tuner (keyhead)
the last one is holding pitch
last one i backed off of the nylon nut, tuned to G# then tuned the pedal to A
i hope this one holds up cause i'm down to just 1 more G#
thanks everyone
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Jody Sanders
From:
Magnolia,Texas, R.I.P.
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Posted 28 Jan 2008 6:39 pm
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| Sounds like a bad batch of strings if it had not happened in the past.Be sure your nylon tuner has not "slipped" and is pulling the string at a higher pitch. Bad batches of strings has happened to me, to Buddy, and lots of others. Jody. |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 28 Jan 2008 7:49 pm
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this was a batch i got in Dec. they are the J. H. Jagwires and have a 11.5 plain for the G#
i think its just the lighter gage strings
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 28 Jan 2008 11:54 pm
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| last one i backed off of the nylon nut, tuned to G# then tuned the pedal to A |
That's how you should do it. I am assuming by your statement that you tune the pedal (to A) first and then the open string? Could be I am just not understanding your statement.
Try this. Tune the string to G first and tug on it a few times until it starts to stabilize. Then to G# and do the same thing until it stays at G#. Then tune the pedal. I've been doing this for years and never have the breaking problem any more.
Also, if I have to change all my strings, I change them one day, tuning the G# to G, and let them set overnight. The next day I tune everything to pitch. This seems to work great. I seldom have tuning issues when I do it this way.
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Jim Eaton
From:
Santa Susana, Ca
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Posted 29 Jan 2008 10:22 am
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If there was no sharp edge on the key, check that the roller is not binding for that string too!
JE:-)> |
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Wayne Wallett
From:
Shermans Dale, PA USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 29 Jan 2008 10:25 am
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Had that problem with my new Emmons push-pull in 1970. Turned out to be I wasn't leaving enough wraps on the tuner shaft to get away from the string hole. Try leaving about 3" (about 6 wraps) around the shaft to get you swary from the hole the string goes thru. Solved my problems. Occassionally you will get a bad string but I doubt that may in a row.
Regards,
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Bent Romnes
From:
London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 29 Jan 2008 10:52 am
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| Calvin Walley wrote: |
this was a batch i got in Dec. they are the J. H. Jagwires and have a 11.5 plain for the G#
i think its just the lighter gage strings |
Calvin,
I use Jagwires, with the 3rd string being 11.5
Just out of curiosity, and since I don't need to sound great all the time, I wanted to see how long the strings would last on this homebuilt of mine.
I strung up the guitar last September.
As of today, the same strings are on the guitar, including 3rd G#.
Grant you, I might not practice as much as the average player, but over the course of these 5 months I would say I have averaged a half hour per day.
The 3rd string seems to stay in tune at least as well as the others.
The strings would by now sound old to a keener ear than mine, but to me they are bearable.
For what it's worth...
Bent |
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 29 Jan 2008 11:04 am
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| Jody Sanders wrote: |
| Sounds like a bad batch of strings if it had not happened in the past.Be sure your nylon tuner has not "slipped" and is pulling the string at a higher pitch. Bad batches of strings has happened to me, to Buddy, and lots of others. Jody. |
I'm with Jody on this. I had a run of bad 12's once--went through 3 of them . Almost to pitch, and WACK. Go get another one. I guy starts getting gunshy after the 2nd break, don't 'cha know!!
I put on a new set of strings, tune them immediatly to pitch, dial in my endplate tuners and play. Recheck until they are stabilized. I play Jadwires exclusively. |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 29 Jan 2008 11:12 am
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Brent
i played one one set of strings for almost 2 years once. didn't break a single string.
thats why i don't think its the way i play
by the way, i once tried a set of SIT S.S. strings
and for reasons unknown they sounded awful on my Mullen, after 3-4 days of fiddling
with them changed back to Jagwire and the guitar sounded fine ...go figure
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 29 Jan 2008 11:25 am
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There are many reasons why one can break a few 011's.
Calvin you never actually stated what gauge you are using. By saying G#, that doesn't really say anything. What gauge strings are you using ?
are you tuning to pitch 440 or thereabouts ?
Bad strings, rough edges, NON rolling ROLLER bridge, especially if you are not cleaning and lubing it on a regular basis, poor bend on the tuner key, burrs on the Bridge; swab a piece of cotton over the bridge area to identify.
When a string breaks I never tweak the nylon adjustment nut. I put a new string on , bring it to pitch slowly,( open tuning ) pull it up firmly a few times for a gentle stretch then tune to pitch.
My Carter is very consistent with string replacement, minimal Pedal or Lever adjust if any.
Calvin, maybe you need to get a Carter !
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 29 Jan 2008 12:01 pm
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Not enough turns around the capstan.
Last edited by basilh on 29 Jan 2008 1:27 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 29 Jan 2008 12:07 pm
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Tony
i got the strings from the forum,
the pack says JHE9-38S they are the
John Hughley series the sizes are as
follows 38,34,28,24,20,17,14, 11 1/2,15 & 13
the 11.5 is the only one i have ever had a problem with
the only Carter i ever had was the carter starter and you don't even want to get me started on that haha
i know some of you fellas like them, but i will never own another Carter guitar
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Larry Strawn
From:
Golden Valley, Arizona, R.I.P.
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Posted 29 Jan 2008 12:09 pm
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Calvin,
This is a kinda basic question, but have you checked to see if anything is caught in the changer?
A few years ago while tuning up before a job I broke 3 3rd strings in a row when I'd pedal down.
My wife thought I was crazy when I unplugged picked it up upside down and shook it real hard! Sure enough, a string ball end fell out of the changer, end of problem!
Larry
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Jody Sanders
From:
Magnolia,Texas, R.I.P.
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Posted 29 Jan 2008 12:17 pm
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| I agree 100 % with what Paul said. Jody. |
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Jody Sanders
From:
Magnolia,Texas, R.I.P.
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Posted 29 Jan 2008 12:18 pm
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| I agree 100 % with what Paul said. Jody. |
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