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Topic: MSA Millenium sound. |
Larry Robertson
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Posted 24 Dec 2007 8:28 pm |
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I am interested in hearing what the MSA Millenium sounds like. If anyone knows of any recordings made on the millenium please let me know what/where they can be found. Albums, CD's, youtube or web sites?? Thanks, Larry
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 24 Dec 2007 8:31 pm
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Larry,
Am I mistaken in thinking that the tune on Johnny Cox's web site is played on a Millenium?
"Run Away Little Tear"
In any event, it's worth a listen. |
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Johnny Cox
From:
Williamsom WVA, raised in Nashville TN, Lives in Hallettsville Texas
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 1:06 am
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Run Away Little Tears was played on Joan's Millennium. Joan and I both used her guitar on that CD. My guitar had been sold and I had not finished my new guitar at the time I needed to record my steel parts.
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Johnny "Dumplin" Cox
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 7:28 am
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There you go Larry. You have it from the man himself.
Johnny, I just wanted to tell you that I go and listen to that tune every now and then and I just marvel at the beautiful sound. This is what a steel should sound like, to my ears.
Johnny, was it you or Joan who played on this particular tune? |
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Larry Robertson
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Denver, Colorado, USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 11:46 am
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Thanks Johnny, OK, so I click on the link in your reply which took me to your myspace site, but I don't see any links on that page to either listen to a tune or a link to purchase the cd. How do I hear it? Thanks Larry.
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Website: www.Music2myEars.net
MSA D-10, Carter U12, Fessy SDU-12,Emmons P/P D-10, Emmons P/P U-12,Emmons S-10 ShoBud SuperPro, Lap steel, keyboards, 6-string Guitars.. too many |
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Ward Skinner
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Mission, TX * R.I.P.
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 1:06 pm
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Larry, you may try this website:
websiteRon Williams
On the last two songs, Bridge That Just Won't Burn and Playboy, Johnny Cox is playing, and I'm assuming it's his Millenium. Some great playing. |
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 26 Dec 2007 6:29 am
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The Milly is simply a great guitar. Period. It plays great, sounds great, and weighs less than any other guitar on the market.
If I had the bucks, I'd get another one. In fact, if I had the bucks I'd get 2 more.
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Johnny Cox
From:
Williamsom WVA, raised in Nashville TN, Lives in Hallettsville Texas
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Posted 26 Dec 2007 8:51 am
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Ward, the Ron Williams CD was done on the Legend D10/12 I had at the time. The best sound I have ever got in Justin's studio was on Mike Siler's "Bubbles In My Beer" cd. I used the Sho-Bud on that. I also just did a cd with Tony Booth using the Sho-Bud.
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Johnny "Dumplin" Cox
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Larry Robertson
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Denver, Colorado, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2007 7:02 pm
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Hey thanks Bent. That is the kind of recording I am looking for. J.Cox really sounds good! Mike P- Do you have any recordings of the Milly? Anyone else know of any? I heard that Tommy White used one but don't know which recordings.
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Website: www.Music2myEars.net
MSA D-10, Carter U12, Fessy SDU-12,Emmons P/P D-10, Emmons P/P U-12,Emmons S-10 ShoBud SuperPro, Lap steel, keyboards, 6-string Guitars.. too many |
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 26 Dec 2007 8:29 pm
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Yeah, isn't that a great sound? To me it is what a steel is supposed to sound like(notice I said "to me")
We also have to remember...it's not only the steel. A large part of that beautiful sound is the hands. Want proof?
Here... http://youtube.com/watch?v=DC9RijH9E5M
...worth mentioning since were on the subject of "hands" |
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Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 26 Dec 2007 9:03 pm
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I believe Amy Grant's version of Back in Baby's Arms had Mr Cox on it.
(I could be wrong, but I read it here..) (I thought JH,) so no beatings please..)
Whatever rig he was playing sounded great to me.
I rehearsed an played that one as note for note as I could for a couple years before I got fired and the couple I worked for's marriage broke up. ( I didn't do it..).
EJL/HFLE |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 26 Dec 2007 9:42 pm
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| so.....what?.....it's official now? we have to call them 'millies' to be cool now? |
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Larry Robertson
From:
Denver, Colorado, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2007 9:45 pm
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Chris, not trying to be cool. I am a lazy typist.
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Website: www.Music2myEars.net
MSA D-10, Carter U12, Fessy SDU-12,Emmons P/P D-10, Emmons P/P U-12,Emmons S-10 ShoBud SuperPro, Lap steel, keyboards, 6-string Guitars.. too many |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Stephen Gambrell
From:
Over there
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Posted 26 Dec 2007 10:48 pm
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| I wouldn't think, with the interchangable pickups, that there would BE a "definitive" MILLENIUM tone. The carbon fiber (or whatever it is) body of a MILLENIUM would have no tonal characteristics of its own, unlike the maple we've all grown accustomed to. |
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 27 Dec 2007 12:31 am
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| Stephen Gambrell wrote: |
| I wouldn't think, with the interchangable pickups, that there would BE a "definitive" MILLENIUM tone. |
True.
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| The carbon fiber (or whatever it is) body of a MILLENIUM would have no tonal characteristics of its own, unlike the maple we've all grown accustomed to. |
Not quite. I don't know if the right word is tone, but the carbon fiber body definitely does have it's own characteristics, mainly in terms of string separation and sustain. When I got mine I compared it's unplugged sound with that of my maple body and there definitely was a difference. With the maple body, the notes all seem to mesh together more. With the Milly, they stand out more individually. The sound is cleaner and more precise.
It's a subtle thing, you wouldn't notice it unless you played the 2 guitars side by side. But it's definitely there.
Stephen, if you ever find yourself in Los Angeles, come on over to the house and you can compare them for yourself. Afterwards I'll bake a lasagna for you.
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 27 Dec 2007 9:02 am
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| Mike P- Do you have any recordings of the Milly? |
Sorry, no. I have another CD coming out soon, but the tracks were all recorded with the green guitar shown in in my avatar, before the Milly was delivered.
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 27 Dec 2007 11:52 am
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Um, I may be the culprit who started the "Milly" thing. And I'm not proud of the reason. I could never remember if it had two n's or one. I just looked it up again, and it has two, so this thread title is spelled wrong. See the problem? But Johnny Hodges of course has it right. Even if you have the spelling right, it's a lot of letters to type out in a thread where you have to use it repeatedly. So I just made up "Milly" on the spot, and Mike P. liked it and picked it up. I never saw anyone use it before that. But it's sort of a natural term (that took absolutely no thought on my part), so I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone used it before me, or reinvented it after me. I hereby give it to MSA free of copyright. Wait, maybe I should hire a lawyer and charge a nickel for every use...but then I'd have to give the lawyer half...naah, I hate lawyers. MSA can have it.
Mine does have great tone. But I bought it just as much for the mechanical refinements and interchangeable pickups. I don't know that they tried to give it a distinctive tone, but rather seem to have tried to give it a similar tone to the other top pedal steels. You can certainly say it is all there - sustain, string separation, good on the high frets, etc. In spite of its lightness, it is very solid, with the carbon fiber body molded to fit the metal endplates and frame. It is a really well-designed precision instrument. I got mine used, and it had no wear, and shows no wear from my mistreatment of it. The carbon fiber is really tough and scratch resistant, and the mechanics are very robust. |
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Johnny Cox
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Williamsom WVA, raised in Nashville TN, Lives in Hallettsville Texas
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Posted 27 Dec 2007 11:58 am
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In my opinion only, the Milly does have it's very own sound. Unlike wood guitars that have only that one particular sound the Milly can sound like anything you want by changing the pickup, amp or combination of the two. That is what drawed me in. Now having said that, you must be able to get one to experience it's greatness.
BTW, it was me on Amy's cut of Back In Baby's Arms. Vince hired the entire Time Jumpers Band to do that record. That was before I left Nashville. I am flattered that you might have thought it was Mr. Hughey.
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Johnny "Dumplin" Cox
"YANKIN' STRINGS & STOMPIN' PEDALS" since 1967.
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Steve Alcott
From:
New York, New York, USA
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Posted 27 Dec 2007 1:21 pm
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| I second what Johnny said; the Millennium is "neutral" in the very best sense of the word. You don't have to work within the parameters of a guitar with a strong personality of its own. The strength of the Millennium, IMHO, is its neutrality. By combining pickup and amp selection with your own way of playing, you can find your own sound. |
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Eric West
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Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Dec 2007 9:58 pm
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Mr C. It was EXACTLY what that song called for, and like I said, it made me want to do my best to 'cop' it.
I'm not a real "brand" guy, but whatever you were playing it sure got your soul through.
GREAT cut.
Thanks for it.
EJL |
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 28 Dec 2007 7:33 am
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| Eric West wrote: |
I'm not a real "brand" guy, but whatever you were playing it sure got your soul through.
GREAT cut.
Thanks for it.
EJL |
Eric, Funny but those words were almost exactly the same as what I wrote to Johnny in another thread.
The sound, mood, clarity is so tastefully balanced in this song. It sure does add up to soul.
The song is a crying one. The steel cries right along.
Man, you made a winner here, Johnny.
I too wish to thank you.
Bent |
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Darvin Willhoite
From:
Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 28 Dec 2007 8:06 am
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That is a great way to describe the Millennium, "Neutral". I have a Millennium and Legend, and an old Classic SS, and I can tell very little difference in the sound of any of them, played through the same system. A little difference, but very little. We all know that probably 80% of our sound is in the way we play, technique etc. Also, every playing situation, different room etc, is going to sound different, so the guitar is not going to have a large bearing on that. That's why amps have EQ controls on them.
The major advantage of the Millennium in my opinion, is the weight. It is noticeably lighter than the Legend with the identical setup. If I remember right, there is 8 lbs difference. That wouldn't be much on a 80 lb. guitar, but on a 40 lb guitar, you can tell the difference.
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Darvin Willhoite
MSA Millennium, Legend, and Studio Pro, Reese's restored Universal Direction guitar, a restored MSA Classic SS, several amps, new and old, and a Kemper Powerhead that I am really liking. Also a Zum D10, a Mullen RP, and a restored Rose S10, named the "Blue Bird". Also, I have acquired and restored the plexiglass D10 MSA Classic that was built as a demo in the early '70s. I also have a '74 lacquer P/P, with wood necks, and a showroom condition Sho-Bud Super Pro. |
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 28 Dec 2007 8:56 am
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| According to Reece tone is in the hands, not in the guitar. The guitar has no tone. |
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