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Topic: Singing On Key ? |
Bill Dobkins
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Rolla Missouri, USA
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Posted 24 Feb 2007 5:04 pm |
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I'm watching a retack of the 40th CMA awards. I'm wondering how some of these people ever made it. Kenny Chesney sang off key so bad I had to push the mute botton, The blonde on the wreckers is just as bad.There are a lot more. When You hear singers like Josh Turner,Vince Gill ect. thier right on key.
George Jones, although he was known as no show Jones was also was known as one take Jones. His voice was that true.
How can these people rise to top and even make Intertainer of the year and not sing on key. I guess its back to that marketing thing, or maybe its these 62 year old ears. |
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Michael Douchette
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Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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Posted 24 Feb 2007 5:29 pm
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Man... I'm fighting the urge to let loose here... but I still have to work here in town. Give me 20 + more years to retire, and I'll spill my freakin' GUTS all OVER on this one... 
It is NOT your ears... trust me.
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Ok, I just watched the Opry, saw ol' Jones on there, and a couple kids... now, Jones' voice was not at its best, but heck, look at the career he's had, and the legend he is. He paved the way. (Oh, I could tell you stories...) Now, the kids... Jason Michael Carroll... nice kid, but vocally, a lame Randy Travis knockoff... did you see how far into his mouth the mic was? No power at all... Ray Price holds the mic in the middle of his chest, and still blows it away... and the girl, Ashley Monroe... wow... if a tune had a good stout handle firmly attached, she might be able to carry it... maybe.
Ok, rant over...
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Mikey D... H.S.P.
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Larry Strawn
From:
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Posted 24 Feb 2007 6:21 pm
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Mikey D.
I probably sing off key as much as I do on,,,but then I'm doing it for drunks in a bar and not on the "Opry"! Good thing our bass player and guitar player sings good! 
I agree with you completly,, it's horrible! 
Larry
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Larry Robbins
From:
Fort Edward, New York
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Posted 24 Feb 2007 6:39 pm
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can you say ...Pro Tools..pitch correction?
Damn technology..
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Larry Strawn
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Golden Valley, Arizona, R.I.P.
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Posted 24 Feb 2007 7:16 pm
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Apparently pitch correction doesn't work on live shows! 
Larry
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Bill Dobkins
From:
Rolla Missouri, USA
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Posted 24 Feb 2007 7:17 pm
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| Michael Douchette wrote: |
Man... I'm fighting the urge to let loose here... but I still have to work here in town. Give me 20 + more years to retire, and I'll spill my freakin' GUTS all OVER on this one...
It is NOT your ears... trust me.
(Added)
Ok, I just watched the Opry, saw ol' Jones on there, and a couple kids... now, Jones' voice was not at its best, but heck, look at the career he's had, and the legend he is. He paved the way. (Oh, I could tell you stories...) Now, the kids... Jason Michael Carroll... nice kid, but vocally, a lame Randy Travis knockoff... did you see how far into his mouth the mic was? No power at all... Ray Price holds the mic in the middle of his chest, and still blows it away... and the girl, Ashley Monroe... wow... if a tune had a good stout handle firmly attached, she might be able to carry it... maybe.
Ok, rant over... |
Thats unfair i won't be here in 20. |
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Ron Fitzgerald
From:
Port Charlotte Florida
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Posted 24 Feb 2007 8:11 pm
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Mike . Go For it. Don't Hold Back. Give It a go. Let it out.
Be done with it. Get it off your chest. We're here for you.
I'm cliched out. Please ? |
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Michael Douchette
From:
Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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Bill Dobkins
From:
Rolla Missouri, USA
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Posted 24 Feb 2007 8:48 pm
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Mike, I think you covered in your guts all over statement. I think we understand your delima.
I've been playing and singing for years and the one thing I've always strived for was being in tune and singing on key. I've been to a lot of shows. One of the worst I ever heard was Earl Thomas Conley. I love his records and his writing but he cannot sing live.Maybe he had a cold. |
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Michael Douchette
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Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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Posted 24 Feb 2007 8:58 pm
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Thanks, Bill.
Look... there are "artists" that run through tuning machines live... they work...
There are "artisis" that have everything prerecorded, some as a "just in case" backup, some as a matter of every show...
There are artists that really can sing...
It's a video world, the visual is far more important than the audio. The audio can be doctored in so many ways thanks to these infernal computers... if somebody looks sellable, the rest can be taken care of... it used to take talent, and some folks still have it. It's just not a requirement these days.
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Mikey D... H.S.P.
Music hath the charm to soothe a savage beast, but I'd try a 10mm first.
http://www.steelharp.com
http://www.thesessionplayers.com/douchette.html
(other things you can ask about here)
http://s117.photobucket.com/albums/o54/Steelharp/ |
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Bob Ritter
From:
pacfic, wa
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Posted 24 Feb 2007 9:18 pm
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| Bob Dylan just discrases himself when he sings now days...lol |
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Don Discher
From:
Sault Ste Marie,Ontario,Canada
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Posted 24 Feb 2007 9:41 pm in tune
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| I was always a Doug Stone fan,great songs,we still do a couple of them.I saw him live at a local casino a couple years ago and people were walking out,even his back up singers had a hard time harmonizing he was so far off pitch.Amazing what a studio can do. |
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Dave Boothroyd
From:
Staffordshire Moorlands
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Posted 25 Feb 2007 2:43 am
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When I hear a show- on TV or live - where singers that I know are capable of singing in tune are missing notes, especially the one that fall on the unstressed, quieter syllables, I suspect that for whatever reason, they can't actually hear themselves.
On the latest edition of American Idol, singers who had been note-perfect alone onstage, with a piano were horribly out of tune.
None were wearing in-ears, and there were no wedges that I could see, - so my guess is that the monitoring was poor in order to sabotage the ones whom SC wanted to be voted out.
There was a Eurovision disaster recently where a UK couple trained at LIPA- the Perf Arts School in Liverpool sang out of time and out of tune. They would not have been admitted unless they could sing in tune. The auditions are savage.
Live on Eurovision they sounded apalling- but they had no monitor sends until well into the second verse.
Pitch correction does work live, as a sound man or an artist manager, why would you not set it up if you knew that the singer had a pitch problem?
Surely it would be in the technical rider!
You can't always blame the singer- look to the monitoring engineer.
Cheers
Dave |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 25 Feb 2007 5:53 am
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Michale, we are waiting for you to tell us what you really think !
actaully, unless you are there, on the stage at that time you really can't tell whats going on..my opinion is that hardly anyone has perfect pitch anyway, but the stage and monitors must be correct for the vocalist to be able to hear whats going on...
Sure they can sing off pitch but if they are WAY off there's a reason...and it's probably a technical reason..
I just purchased an Antaras rack mount auto tune for demo's and home projects..I'm tired of punching in or loosing a fine track for one or two not so fine notes.. |
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Joe Casey
From:
Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)
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Posted 25 Feb 2007 6:10 am
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It use to be that "ears" in Nashville studios engineered great recordings also they had in pitch singers who made the jobs easy.  Gone is the KISS rule and enters the VDVLSFPKAVTNN rule. Thats VOLUME,DISTORTION,VERY LITTLE STEEL AND FIDDLE,PLENTY KEYBOARD,AND VOCAL TALENT NOT A NECESSITY. Joe Nichols song was well written and that cat can sing. I did like the girls song also but other than that I put the show on to see the Possum. John Micheal whats his name I hope his record makes him enough money to buy clothes for himself and his band for any new appearance he may get on the OPRY. It was hard to determine who was the actual front man in that band. Don't any newbies have any respect for the tradition?  Dumb question I know. The blame is on Pete Fishy! Looks like I'll never work in Nashville again. |
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Bill Dobkins
From:
Rolla Missouri, USA
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Posted 25 Feb 2007 8:35 am
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Tony. I agree with you, a good monitor is a help.But I would think that these award shows and the opry would have the very best.
Joe, Its almost like the worst they can look and sing off key the better their excepted. Of course you have to look like a playboy bunny. Its certianly not about the art anymore unless you call acting outragious and smashing guitars and art.
Pete Pisher is the worst thing that's ever happened to the music industry.He has said he wont be happy till every grey hair is gone from the Opry. I hope Stonwall Jackson wins his lawsuit. |
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Ben Jones
From:
Seattle, Washington, USA
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Posted 25 Feb 2007 8:48 am
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| Apparently pitch correction doesn't work on live shows! |
it sure dont. did anyone catch Billy Joel's auto tune disaster during the national anthem at the Stupor Bowl? Someone set the autotune to stun and turned Billy Joel in to an off key robot.
here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8smRRyoYGc&mode=related&search= |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 25 Feb 2007 11:53 am What do you expect?
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A lot of singers have become very rich and famous even though they had little or no talent for singing. Fortunately (for them), there's just a few people left who aren't tone-deaf, and aren't distracted by big boobs, shapely legs, ripped abs, or big biceps.
If all you have are looks, please be a pole-dancer or male escort, and leave the singing to those who can do it.
Only blind people should be allowed to audition singers. Then we'd get the emphasis back where it belongs. |
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John Macy
From:
Rockport TX/Denver CO
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Posted 25 Feb 2007 11:55 am
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"Only blind people should be allowed to audition singers. Then we'd get the emphasis back where it belongs."
Nice one, Donny... |
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Charles Davidson
From:
Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 25 Feb 2007 3:55 pm
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| It seems most of these new so-called artist with a few rare exceptions such as Josh Turner,are almost singing in a monotone,is it they have no vocal range or songs with no real melodies are written for them?Logged on to Playa Cofi Juke Box last night and listened to a lot of the hits from the 50's and 60's ,98% of the vocals and melodies were beautiful.In the rock,pop,and country fields,Where are the Sinatra's,Tony Bennett's,Connie Francis's,Brenda Lee's,Patsy Cline's,Marty Robbin's,Eddy Arnold's,And the writers that wrote lyrics that made sense,with beautiful melodies ?All the ladies need today is enough cleavage,and the guy's a dirty tank top,with a four day beard to become the next superstar,No musical talent needed at all. |
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erik
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Posted 25 Feb 2007 5:20 pm
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If anyone's ever listened to the songs I've posted here they know that I tend to drift flat or sharp. But I'm aware of this.
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Michael Douchette
From:
Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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Posted 25 Feb 2007 6:34 pm
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erik, believe me, Kristofferson's demo's sounded like crap, vocally... but, oh, what songs. His style is so raw, so... him... it's perfect for what he says.
One does not have to be a great singer to be great... I think honesty plays a far more important role.
But, who am I? I am but the lowly steel man...
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Mikey D... H.S.P.
Music hath the charm to soothe a savage beast, but I'd try a 10mm first.
http://www.steelharp.com
http://www.thesessionplayers.com/douchette.html
(other things you can ask about here)
http://s117.photobucket.com/albums/o54/Steelharp/ |
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Charles Davidson
From:
Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 25 Feb 2007 7:50 pm
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| Michael That's right,Some vocalist have beautiful voices with great range such as the old crooners such as Sinatra,Frankie Laine,on the country side Marty Robbins,Eddy Arnold,etc,THEN there were the STYLIST.IMO Hank Sr. was not a great singer,but he put so much emotion in his singing,same for Cash,or Earnest Tubb,Willie,or Joe Crooker[spelling?]or Mick Jagger,But they all had style,The first word you knew immediately who it was,Today most sound like clones,I could be wrong[am quite often]But it's been awhile since I've heard anyone with an original style of their own that sets them APART from everthing else,especially in this whatever is passed off has country music today. |
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Charles Davidson
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Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 25 Feb 2007 8:14 pm
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| By the way I think Josh Turner is one of the better ones to come along in awhile[I enjoy him]BUT he sure sounds a lot like Randy Travis.The ones I mentioned above sounded like no one else.A lot of people can imitate the great stylist but they are just imitators NOT the original. |
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Les Anderson
From:
The Great White North
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Posted 25 Feb 2007 8:39 pm
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| Charles Davidson wrote: |
| THEN there were the STYLIST.IMO Hank Sr. was not a great singer,but he put so much emotion in his singing |
Hank Williams Sr didn't need a great voice. The melody behind his vocals was the hook much of the time. Can you name one song of his where you can play it in an instrumental solo and have anyone be stumped with naming the song?
The "bash bang boom" of today's musical scores usually covers up endless horrid vocalists who would be dead in the water if they tried it without back up.
Do you remember Fabian? |
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