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Topic: Fender 400 |
Billy Murdoch
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Glasgow, Scotland, U.K.
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 4 Mar 2008 5:30 am |
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It looks like a nice one - but one thing to be aware of is that parts for the short-scale guitars (like extra pedals) are very hard to find. Long-scale parts are much more plentiful, as production numbers were much higher.
Not sure of the exchange rate, but it looks way overpriced - in the US it's a $600 +/- guitar.
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No chops, but great tone
1930's/40's Rickenbacher/Rickenbacker 6&8 string lap steels
1921 Weissenborn Style 2; Hilo&Schireson hollownecks
Appalachian, Regal & Dobro squarenecks
1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional |
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Billy Murdoch
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Glasgow, Scotland, U.K.
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Posted 4 Mar 2008 7:28 am
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Thanks Jim.
$1300 seems a bit pricey
Best regards
Billy |
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basilh
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Posted 4 Mar 2008 11:35 am
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Billy, It's a reasonable price for a UK buyer. Consider the carriage and duty etc..one would have to be getting the guitar stateside for less than $300 to even get close to that UK price..
S&H would be at least $350 and duty (22.5%) is added to the buying price INCLUDING the S&H .. THE the VAT is calculated on THAT total VAT @ 17.5%
So a "Stateside" guitar costing say $300 + S&H = $650 + 22.5% = $812.50 + 17.5% = 954.68.. Convert = £481.62...
So for a couple of hundred quid you get it NOW and no hassle..
Be aware that it's missing the size '20' ends on the legs. They CAN be obtained from ironmongers who stock "Walking Stick Ends" but are NOT that common..
BTW the parts are more common over here than stateside because the Mk1 400 wasn't imported in any great quantity whereas the Mk3 was. (This is a Mk3 by the way)
Mk 1 Chrome pedals, Jazzmaster type pick-up,
Mk 2 Chrome Pedals, Jaguar style pick-up (This was a "Transitional" Model.)
Mk 3 Black cast pedals, Jaguar style pick-up
The auction one. IMHO a good price for the buyer and seller alike..an equitable sale, which makes a change for "Fleabay"
BTW Billy, FFS shorten the url in your post, my mouse went off the screen on to the floor trying to read all the text I had to scroll to.. Cat's eaten it !! Tell Arch. |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 4 Mar 2008 11:42 am
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Like this :-
Fender on E-Bay
(click 'quote' to see the UBB code.) |
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Billy Murdoch
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Glasgow, Scotland, U.K.
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Posted 4 Mar 2008 2:13 pm
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Basil,
My (lack of)computer skills are surpassed only by my (lack of)steel playing ability.
I am going to Arch for Feline training lessons too.
Thanks
Billy  |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 4 Mar 2008 2:48 pm
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One thing to keep in mind is that all the 400's had a changer with only single raise/lower capability. The 800's (which featured 2 more strings) all featured double raise/lower changers. Fender's refusal to update post '64 400's to the double raise/lower capability changer was a sticking point for more than one potential buyer.
If you want more modern capabilities, hold out for a 10-string (Model 800). |
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basilh
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United Kingdom
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Posted 4 Mar 2008 3:16 pm
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| Donny Hinson wrote: |
If you want more modern capabilities, hold out for a 10-string (Model 800). |
Here in the UK, Hen's Teeth or Rocking Horse Manure would be easier to come by.. |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 4 Mar 2008 3:35 pm
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Here's an 800 special ! at a very good price (For the buyer)
Click Here |
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Alan Brookes
From:
Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 4 Mar 2008 7:05 pm
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| I'm sure Basil won't mind my mentioning that we just paid $462 to ship a Fender Stringmaster from my house in California to his in England, and this PSG is MUCH heavier than a Stringmaster. I know, because I have one that I recently renovated set up in my basement |
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basilh
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Posted 5 Mar 2008 2:06 am
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I don't mind at all Allan, the shipping cost almost as much as the guitar ! but the work you did is 'Priceless'..I'll soon post some pictures and video/sound clips of me playing it..
BTW it sounds just as I imagined it would..
On the subject of Fender pedal Steels, I've just discovered that there's another distinction to help identify the Mk1 Mk2,Mk3.. on the Mk2 the connector on the pedal rod is a "Screw" type with Lh and Rh threads whereas the Mk3 has a spring/clip configuration.
Mk3 
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 7 Mar 2008 3:49 am
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Basil, Mk1? Mk2? Mk3?
Are those your own designations or model names? To my knowledge, Fender never used them. |
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Thomas Ludwig
From:
Augsburg, Germany
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 7 Mar 2008 6:16 am
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Those are Basil's designations. I actually find them quite helpful, but the majority of Fender players identify the same "groups" as:
Long Scale
Transitional
Short Scale
Same thing, different terms. Personally, I like Baz's "Mark" names but don't use them because it seems only he and I always understand what we mean! 
Interesting that the Mark 3's are more common across the pond, as it's completely the opposite Stateside.
As far as the single raise/lower of the 400 (and 100), that is commonly modified through the use of barrel tuners on the cables, and strategically placed "stops". I have at least two on my 400 and 1000. It's not a limiting factor if you're going to play the guitar much.
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No chops, but great tone
1930's/40's Rickenbacher/Rickenbacker 6&8 string lap steels
1921 Weissenborn Style 2; Hilo&Schireson hollownecks
Appalachian, Regal & Dobro squarenecks
1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional |
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basilh
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United Kingdom
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Posted 7 Mar 2008 10:52 am
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Thanks Jim for accepting my terminology, I's quite common with me to use Mk1 etc. in descriptions as my mind gets confused with the Long Scale .. Short Scale ones, primarily because I have a couple of Stringmasters and other Lap and Console Steels and there is a surfeit of DIFFERENT variations of Long and Short Scale measurements..from 22" to 27".
As for the ratio of Mk1 2 and 3 fender 400 and 1000's in the UK, I've actually never seen a UK Mk1 or Mk2 Fender 1000 .. I HAVE seen a UK Mk1 Fender 400, probably privately brought into the country..
I was a part-time salesperson for a couple of music stores in Birmingham in the late 50's and early 60's. and to the best of my knowledge none of the regular importers brought in anything other than the Mk3 of either model.
With USA based Country acts touring the UK it is quite possible that the occasional purchase was made from touring steel players. That's how BJ Cole ended up with a Stringmaster quad. It was purchased from Slim Whitman's steelie at the end of one of his UK Tours by my friend Albert Green, when Albert died the guitar was sold to a Birmingham store and eventually found it's way to London where BJ bought it. It's the guitar that was on a lot of Slim's recordings..
Quite often touring steel players would come to some arrangement with a prospective UK purchaser and sell the steel at the end of the tour, there was money to be made as the difference in USA and UK prices was quite substantial..
As a for instance in 1970 an Emmons D-10 was bought by myself with the sale arranged by John Hughey and Harold Lashley..THROUGH a Dublin music store "Walton's" I paid £1650, the price of a small family saloon car..
Whereas a friend of mine followed the Buck Owens tour the same year and bought a ZB D-10 for half that price..
There MUST be many a guitar here in the UK that was once the property of some top-line USA based player..
Sometime a thread about than may be fun and informative.. |
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