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Topic: 12 string ext. e9 for a beginner? |
Matthew Cheezem
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Charlotte, NC
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Posted 1 Mar 2008 7:54 am |
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I've been looking around for a good steel to start on, and with the mixed to horrible reviews of the carter starter, I want to go a different direction. However, I don't want to spend MUCH more than what a starter would cost. I'm looking around 900 tops right now (I'm sure I'll be told I need to spend at least 1500 for anything decent, but work with me here 
I've seen a 12 string setup ext. e9 on ebay, listed a few different times that's local and right now sitting at 800. Here's the link http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160213831716&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
Would this be good to learn on? Is the price ok? I know that most learning material is for 10 string e9, but could I learn as if it was a 10 string, omitting the other 2 strings for now, and adding them once I get a better grasp of the instrument? Any feedback and info would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks!  |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 1 Mar 2008 8:04 am
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Go for it. The extra two strings aren't complicated. They are the same as the 6th and 8th strings, an octave lower. If you play guitar, you'll relate to it very easily as the 12th string is the same as the low E on a guitar.
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Carl Vilar
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New Jersey USA
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Bengt Erlandsen
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Brekstad, NORWAY
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Posted 2 Mar 2008 12:08 pm
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I agree with b0b. Go for it. The extra two strings aren't complicated.
The right hand fingering on the S12extE9feels very natural and logical IMO.
I don't know much about Marlen guitars but from what I can see from the pictures the guitar has the usual A B C pedals (Bpedal also raise 11th string G# to A) LKL & LKR raise/lower E's at 8th&4th string. RKR lowers string 2&9 and RKL raise string 1&7.
That means all the changes are what you will find on a lot of 10string E9 guitars so the teaching material will fit 95%
Getting used to strings 11 and 12 will probably be easier than to understand what to do with strings 9 7 2 & 1 because they can seem to be a little confusing at first try. They do make musical sense though. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 2 Mar 2008 2:23 pm
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I'd go with a 10-string. It's about 90% more popular, there's far more of them out there to choose from, and there's far more learning material. It's also easier to tune, easier to set up, and strings are cheaper, etc., etc.
Of course, it's just an opinion, but I see a lot of advantages in a 10, and relatively few in a 12. |
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Buster Warren
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Nakina,N.C. USA
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Posted 2 Mar 2008 3:16 pm
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Donnie,, The 12 string extended e9th is exactly
the same as a 10 string with two extra bass strings !
More Bang for the buck !!
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John Roche
From:
England
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Posted 2 Mar 2008 3:29 pm
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| My biggest regret is that I did not change to 12 string years ago, be it extended E 9th or B6th Uni ....B6th is my favorite .... |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 2 Mar 2008 4:01 pm
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| Donny Hinson wrote: |
| I'd go with a 10-string. It's about 90% more popular, there's far more of them out there to choose from, and there's far more learning material. It's also easier to tune, easier to set up, and strings are cheaper, etc., etc. |
All of the 10 string learning material applies directly to 12 string Extended E9th as well.
I always tune the 11th string when I'm tuning the 6th, and tune the 12th string when I'm tuning the 8th. It's a little bit more work, but it's not any "harder". Ditto with the 2nd pedal.
You don't need to put any changes on the low E string if it seems "complicated". 90% of my 12th string playing involves no changes on that string. It's just handy to have a low E when comping rhythm parts.
Two more strings do add a few dollars to the cost of a set of strings. If it concerns you that much, Donny, maybe you should go back to 8.  
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George Kimery
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Limestone, TN, USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2008 4:54 am Extended E-9 for a beginner
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| Go for the 12 string. If you want a 10 string, just take the two extra strings off. The 11th string is a low G#, the same as the 3rd and 6th string and the 12th string is a low E, the same as the 4th and 8th stings. The two extra strings will not be any issue at all. Other than the 2 extra strings, there is no difference from a standard E-9th, so all the E-9th instructional material will apply exactly the same. Plus, you will find some great uses for the low strings as you progress and will wonder how you could have got along without them. |
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Matthew Cheezem
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Charlotte, NC
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Posted 3 Mar 2008 5:18 am got it!
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Picked up the 12 string from Buster on Sunday! What a great guy, and a beautiful steel to boot. Can't wait to start gettin' my feet wet with it, I'm sure I'll be checkin around here quite often.
Thanks for all the replies! |
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Mickey Adams
From:
Bandera Texas
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Posted 3 Mar 2008 8:18 am Yep
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Im on the pro-12string bandwagon too...I think its a great way to go...
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 3 Mar 2008 8:50 am
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I've always played 12 stringers. (except for the first few days when I borrowed a maverick) I bought the green 12 string shown in my avatar when I had been playing about 2 weeks.
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Matthew Cheezem
From:
Charlotte, NC
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Posted 3 Mar 2008 9:01 am one more thing....
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Where's a good place to get strings for a 12 string? I assume I need a certain kind for e9th extended, versus uni.?
Any advice on brand, gauge, etc? |
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Stan Paxton
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1/2 & 1/2 Florida and Tenn, USA (old Missouri boy gone South)
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Posted 3 Mar 2008 9:07 am
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Matthew, congrats on the purchase ! This is the best time to go Ext E9 IMHO, before you have got the brain & right hand programmed where the grips are respective to the center of the neck on a 10 string. I just had to have Ext E-9, and found it was a mistake for me: I'm old, too used to the 10 string, and cannot get past the fumbling and mistakes with the 12. As b0b said, go for it  .
God Bless and have a Great '08
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Ray Riley
From:
Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2008 9:30 am Strings
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Matt, Go to the top of this page and hit strings in the header and order all you want. Usually about a $1.00 per string. B0B will appreciate it. Ray
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2008 1:34 pm Re: one more thing....
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| Matthew Cheezem wrote: |
Where's a good place to get strings for a 12 string? I assume I need a certain kind for e9th extended, versus uni.?
Any advice on brand, gauge, etc? |
Get a regular E9th set and add two singles to it for the low strings: .046 and .056.
Notice whether the 6th string on it is plain or wound. If you change from plain to wound or visa-versa, you'll have to get under the guitar to adjust the leverage. Might be best at this point to just stick with whichever is on it.
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Matthew Cheezem
From:
Charlotte, NC
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Posted 3 Mar 2008 2:37 pm
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| Thanks! The 6th is wound on this one, good call. |
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