Sho Bud fretboard photos

Jon Light · From: Saugerties, NY

I've always been on the fence as to my preference----black or white. Black looks real good. White looks like a nifty pair of spats.
There have been some great photos posted that showed both side by side but I can't find them. If anyone (Ricky, James, et al.....the usual suspects Wink

) would care to post some pics it will help me to place an order toot sweet.
Thanks.

James Morehead · From: Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.

Jon, How about this? I prefer the white, myself. Shows up great in low light.

Jon Light · From: Saugerties, NY

Well gee.....that's sorta close to what I'm asking for....... Surprised

Ha. Exactly. Thanks.
Someone had a pic of a classic-colored LDG which is the color of my Pro1 (faded green).
Could you stain & refinish that guitar this afternoon, James, and take some more pics?

Still, black is downright handsome and white is downright flashy. Being neither, myself, I'm looking to compensate with my fretboards. Considering that my eyes are not what they once were and seem to be going south, white may be a smart choice.

mike nolan · From: Forest Hills, NY USA

Jon,

I have always had Sho~Buds with black fretboards. I tried a white one on my S-10, and really like it. As James said, it is great in low stage light situations.

James Morehead · From: Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.

Well------------ask and will be giveneth!!

Jon Light · From: Saugerties, NY

oh man---you even flew in Lloyd for the photoshoot. Awesome, James. I'm trying to think of what else to ask you for---seems you can't fail.

Yeah---if I can find 12 string white it sounds like the good choice. Got an email in to Tom B.
Gracias Mike, James.

James Morehead · From: Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.

There ya go, my friend. By the way, that is Ricky Davis' '73 LDG with the white fret board. We trade back and forth occasionally. Also, Coop has some white 12 string fret boards if Tom's out. Ain't that a great picture of Mr. Lloyd Green??

It also reveals Rick Johnson's cabinets housing Mr. Green's Twin Reverb. I guess Lloyd using Rick Johnson's cabinets inspired Ricky Davis to use Rick Johnson's cabinets, which inspired me to use Rick Johnson's cabs. Word of mouth at it's best. Good enough for Lloyd & Ricky, good enough for me!!

This is my '71 Twin Reverb/Altec 15" 418B speakers. I love to use Jan Phillips 6L6GC power tubes. You really have to hunt long and hard for those tubes these days, but well worth the tone.

Joe A. Camacho · Posted 2 Mar 2008 11:05 am

I hear you, since I put one on my LDG I've been fighting the urge to put one on the Professional as well.

James Morehead · From: Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.

Joe, I can tell you this, the original fretboards were not accurate. The most accurate fret board Shobud made was the plastic dust catcher, and John Coop has patterned his fretboards after the "dust catcher". I don't know about other replacements as to accuracey. If you notice, Coop's have 26 frets, too. Thats the detailed attention you get with Coop parts.

Joe A. Camacho · Posted 2 Mar 2008 11:31 am

Oh I know James, the fret board on my LDG is from John and it rules.

Jon Light · From: Saugerties, NY

I mentioned Tom B---at the time I posted I was still trying to find John Coop's email address (which I have found and email has been sent. Tom has black 12 string, no white. And Jeff S was super-generous enough to send me a clear (no back-coat) 12 string board with an order I placed for some other stuff---man what a good guy!---but the fret markers are white so the backing will need to be black.
So I'm awaiting Mr Coop's response.

BTW--the problem arose from noticing that the board was really skewed----I thought it was a parallax thing but I took a square to it and it was appalling! The fret markers were not even close to 90 degrees to the strings. Playing with one's eyes closed is a neat trick but mounting a fretboard that way is, well, not optimal.
If there is a way to lift metal fretboards from the neck without crimping or bending them----well it's too late to learn how now. I'm getting by for the time being with a board too bent to lay flat but I really need a new one.

Eric West · From: Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.

Ditto and DOUBLE what Mr M said.

MOST "repopped" white fretboards are NOT accurate.

Far as I know, the ONLY ones that you could count on were/are the 3d Tomato Seed Catchers.

Far as I know I got the last ones that Mr Ray had in stock. I painted them white with great success. I"ll find some pix of them if I get a chance, but odds are against it today.

If Mr Coop patterned them after the 3D ones or if they are otherwise logarithmically perfect, then they are the ones to get.

With the naked eye, you can see the example Mr Moorehead posted are not right on. (Edited to erase my total failure of observation. I'm a cute old guy if nothing else..)I measured the first trial set I got and found that many of them were WAY off.

There are logas.. logr.. well you know, fret measurement freeware programs you can find on luthiers sites.

Of course "it doesn't matter that much", and of course "they made them that way", but keep in mind that if you are used to perfectly measured frets, you'll ditch them.

Either way. don't glue them on with super or other permanant glue. Use light contact cement. At least until you decide to marry them.

Smile

EJL

James Morehead · From: Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.

Eric, your naked eye is fooling you. Everything I posted are Coop fret boards patterned after the original "dust catcher".

All my pictures, except of Mr. Green's LDG, I'm unsure of it's origin, as I have not had the priveledge to have seen that guitar in person.

Use double sided tape to install a new fret board.
Use a hair dryer to heat the old one's glue, and carefully work it up with a plastic knife, ect.

Eric West · From: Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.

OOps..

I'll have to find a pic of mine before the swap..

Smile

EJL

Ken Byng · From: Southampton, England

I bought some replacement fretboards from Tom Bradshaw for my Bud. I placed my dust collectors adjacent to Tom's boards and they aligned perfectly.

KB

James Morehead · From: Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.

Yeah Ken, I've heard the new ones Tom has are pretty sweet. I've not had one in my hands, so didn't want to say to much.

Ricky Davis · From: Bertram, Texas USA

Tom Bradshaw also made is newest fretboards after the Plastic shobud fretboard; so they are dead on perfect.
Coop and Bradshaw are the only perfect calculated replacements I've had at my house.
John Coop was Way More than kind enough to make this 12-string fretboard(perfect calculations of course) for this beautiful 12-string Shobud I tweeked on for Eric Corgey.

Niether Tom or Coop have enough folks wanting a 12-string Shobud fretboard; therefore it is NOT cost effecient to do all the setup/screen/boards for just a few boards every now and then...you have to buy bulk and then pay for the setup(very expensive program).
Good luck trying to talk one of them into it...ha....as your basically asking them to throw away hundreds of dollars; just to collect 30-40 bucks a board which would be a few if that.

Ricky
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Jimmie Martin · From: Ohio, USA

James the fretboards that came on that sho-bud you have pictured ( the black ones) came from Tom Bradshaw. Jimmie Very Happy

James Morehead · From: Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.

Hey Jimmie, good to see ya around!! Very Happy

Actually, You are thinking that's the beatiful blonde guitar that you sold me a few years ago, but it's not. This guitar(in the above post/pics) is a sister to mine I got from you. The above guitar is one that's been repaired/refinished by Ray Walker, and is being "Cooped" as we speak, and John laid those fret boards, which are 26 frets, on it for a picture, so the owner could decide the same question that Jon is asking in this thread. This guitar is soon to go home to Chicago area.

The guitar I bought from you, Jimmie, came with two BLACK fretboards that were Tom's and were 24 frets, which I replaced with white ones from Coop, which are 26 frets, when Coop rebuilt the undercarrage. Here's a before and after picture of my guitar. By the way, Jimmie Martin refinished this cabinet, and it's as nice as the day I recieved this guitar. Great job, Jimmie. Winking

David Cook · From: Florida, USA

Is Lloyd's 15 inch speaker cabinet closed or open back?

James Morehead · From: Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.

David, I believe it to be open backed.

John Billings · From: Ohio, USA

Another example of Rick's great work! Started out as a Quad.

Ken Byng · From: Southampton, England

Obviously the placement of the new fretboard is critical to intonation. There is very little point in paying for highly accurate fretboards if they are adhered to the neck in the wrong place.

I marked either side of my original dust catchers at the 12th fret with a white correction pen (Tipp-ex). Once the new fretboards were in place I just rubbed the white residue off (comes off very easily).

I have 2 dust catchers going free to anyone who would like them. Very Happy

Ken Byng · From: Southampton, England

Jimmie Martin · From: Ohio, USA

Hey James. Thanks for the kind words. If you keep it up you will have to have huge Sho-bud room. You will need an alarm system and Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson to protect all of those beautifull Sho-buds you have. Someday i hope to get another project Sho-bud d-10 but i'm going to go the route you went with all new rebuild from Mr. Coop. Right now i don't have any at all. I have had a little bit of hard times to go through but theres allways light at the end of the tunnel. Glad that you are enjoying your guitars. Jimmie Very Happy

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