Poll - Low F# to G# versus G# to F#

Chris Bauer · From: Nashville, TN USA

Seems like the world is divided these days between folks raising their low F# to G# and those lowering the G# to F#.

What do you do? As importantly, what do you see yourself gaining and losing with your choice. (And, if you have both changes on your guitar, what - if anything - did you decide to give up to accommodate both changes?)

Bill Pillmore · From: Asheville, North Carolina, USA

I have both........ RKL does the lower and RKR does the raise. Don't know about the B lowers - never had that.
Bill P

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

Bill, I think that's the 3rd option.

Interesting poll! I predict that the 6th string lowers will win.
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Chris Bauer · From: Nashville, TN USA

I guess I probably should have included an "other" category. Sorry about that! Embarassed

I seem to see a number of guitars where the LKV - most frequently used to lower the Bs to Bb - is used to lower the low G# to F# instead. That was what I actually had in mind with that category. But, since I overlooked the inclusion of an "other" category, looks like the right place to vote, Bill.

b0b - I suspect you're right about how this'll turn out but I'll be interested to see.

To all you others who have looked but not voted or commented. Come on in! (And please, I'd love to see posts about why you've made the choice to set up whatever change you've chosen for your guitar. Thanks!)

Ken Metcalf · From: San Antonio Texas USA

I Lower my G# to G
Am I the only one..
My vert. raise is F# to G with pedals down and raises
the B 5th string with pedals up

Kenny
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Scott Swartz · From: St. Louis, MO

Ken, I'm with you, I would rather have the harmonic options of the G note than the whole tone lower to a note already present on 7, but splitting the change with the B pedal is another good option, gives the G and G# for the lowering option.
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Jack Stoner · From: Kansas City, MO

I lower the G# to F# but I also raise the F# to G (on a different knee lever) and that change is not included in the poll.

Cory Dolinsky · From: Old Saybrook, Connecticut, USA

Raise F#'s to G#'s on a knee lever. I lower 6th string G# to G on pedal 4. Also on that pedal i lower the 10th string B to and A. It gives me a nice dominant 7 chord add 9. Plus with the C pedal right next door i can use that for an added 13th.

I like the F# to G# because you can use it in a lot of places. In the A + F lever position it brings the (7 th string) 4th tone up to a 5th. In the A+B position slide up a half fret with the E"s lowered and you get a cool #9 chord and it also brings the b7 up to the root and you get a cool unison sound. the list goes on Very Happy

Cory

Roger Rettig · From: Naples, FL

I raise my G# to A# - much more useful in my opinion, and gives some new chord options at the 'zero' position.

RR

Charles Curtis · Posted 16 Feb 2008 9:41 am

Standard Emmons set up; 8 & 5, on my RKL I raise the 1st and 7th a whole step and the 2nd string 1/2 step.

Don Sulesky · From: Citrus County, FL, Orig. from MA & NH

I lower my G# to G for the 1 minor in the open position.

Ken Metcalf · From: San Antonio Texas USA

This is a great thread for me as I am in the process of adding a 4th pedal to my ZB to use for experimental purposes, trying different things on the blues side
Now I am thinking....trying to decide.
Should I make the new experimental pedal 1(A) or 4(D)
Anyone out there tried it both ways???
Kenny
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Michael Johnstone · From: Sylmar,Ca. USA

I lower all my G#s to G with RKR and lower the 6th string to F# with inside LKL.I have enough levers(9) so I didn't have to give up any other changes I want. I have my 5th string lower B to Bb on inside RKL and F#s to Gs on LKV #1 and on LKV #2 I lower 4 and 8 to D. I never tried raising my 7th a whole step and I'm sure I'd like it and find use for it but even w/9 levers,you can't have everything. Jay Dee has it - in part because there's too much slop on whole tone lowers on a PP and a raise just works better.

Bobby Boggs · From: Upstate SC.

I do both.With 1/2 stops on the F#'s to G#'s.And the low G# to F# is split tuned........bb

Jerry Hayes · From: Virginia Beach, Va.

I raise my 7th string F# to G# on pedal 1 as does Tom Brumley and I think b0b does too! I had the G# to F# lever at one point but found the B to Bb (A#) more useful (at least to me)...

I use my pedal 1 when in B6th the same as you'd use your standard A pedal in E9th. It raises the 5th to a 6th and then releasing your E to Eb (D#) lower would be the same as using your standard B pedal in E9. With this change I can do things like Together Again in the key of G or A without having to go up the neck which is nice.

Also there's a nice version of Last Date which can be done by using just this pedal and your E lower of the 4th string.

It's really handy in faster tempo bluegrass type things for some nice moves........Also in the intro to a tune like the Eagles "Take It Easy" it can be used to do the standard guitar thing where you hold the E & B strings in the 3rd fret and bend the G string up a whole tone from the 2nd fret to complete the triad.......

There's a wealth of other ways it can be used. Listen to some of Tom Brumley's recordings and you'll hear it here and there......JH in Va.
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Marc Friedland · From: Fort Collins, CO

None of the above.
As some others have stated, I also raise my 7th string F# a half step to G, and I have that same knee lever raise the 1st string a whole step F# to G#.
My vertical knee lever lowers the 5th string B to Bb, and lowers the 10th string a whole step B to A.
Marc

Dave Mudgett · From: Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee

I lower string 6 from G# to F# with LKR, but also split that change with the B-pedal to get G. B to Bb on LKV.

Kyle Everson · From: Nashville, Tennessee

I voted for the F# to G# raise. I am adding the G# to F# lower on pedal 4, along with the 5th and 10th string drops, but they aren't currently on my guitars.

I used to have the 6th whole tone drop on the same lever that raised the 1st and 2nd string, but the 7th string raise "gets along" better with the 1st and 2nd string raises, at least in my playing.

Jerry Overstreet · From: Louisville Ky

I have both. Lower G# to F# w/a pedal split to G on the same knee as 1&2R like some of the others here. I also raise the 7th string to G# on the same knee as the 2 and 9 lower. I have to be selective sometimes on the strings though, depending on what I'm trying to accomplish.

The 6th string lower/split gets a great 7th with pedals down. I like the 7th string raise up a whole step for that maj7th sound again with pedals down.

I also have the B to Bb lower 5 & 10 on the vertical knee as many others here do.

Joel Meredith · From: Portland,Oregon, USA

I raise my low F# a half tone to a G...hardly ever use it.

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

Jerry Hayes · From: Virginia Beach, Va.

b0b, that's exactly the change I use when I mentioned the version of "Together Again" in G or A.

In the standard version where you'd normally walk down the 5th string with four different notes while using the 3rd string as a drone, you can play it in G by going to the 1st fret and using your lowered 4th string as a drone you "walk" down the four notes using your 7th string F# to G# raise and your F# to F lower.

It's just like what you'd do using your B to Bb (A#) lever for the usual 3rd and 5th string thing. The only problem with my set up is that I have to use the F# to F lower with my right foot as it's on pedal 6.

It'd be easier with one or the other on a knee lever but I'm working on that sometime in the future.

You can do it the same way as Tom B. did originally when he backed up one fret while playing the 3rd and 5th strings and applied the B pedal to keep the drone on the 3rd string.

If you didn't have the F# to F lower on string 7, in the G or A version you could keep the drone going on string 4 by just letting up your 4th string lower and backing up a fret, in G that'd put you in an open no bar position but you could do it in A and still retain the vibrato at the 2nd fret!.

You guys who have the G# to F# knee lever can do this also by just using strings 4 and 6 and your E lower lever on string 4. Just try it, it works!.......JH in Va.
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Larry Strawn · From: Golden Valley, Arizona, R.I.P.

I've been lowering my 6th string on a knee lever a full step for several years now and never gave much thought to spliting it with a pedal.

Since P2 raises strings 3&6 a 1/2 step, it seems to me as a natural given. Lower string 6 a whole step with a KL, then raise it back up a half step with P2?

Am I missing something here?

Larry
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Kevin Mincke · From: Farmington, MN (Twin Cities-South Metro) USA

I have RKL raising string one F# to G# also lowering string six G# to F# and raising 2nd D# to E. This change works well with the LKR lowering the E's to Eb. I also have LKV lowering B's to Bb. I raise my 7th string F# to G# with RKR along with lowering my 9th D to C# and the 2nd string D# lowering D/C#.

Marc Jenkins · From: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

I put my 7th string F# raise to G# on RKR along with 2nd lower to D. I also lower my B's to Bb...

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