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Topic: SHO-BUD D10 With Case for sale or trade |
Don Lanier
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Illinois, USA
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Clyde Lane
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Glasgow, Kentucky, USA
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Posted 15 Jan 2008 8:58 pm |
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I don't think that is a Sho-Bud.
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Don Lanier
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Illinois, USA
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Clyde Lane
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Glasgow, Kentucky, USA
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Posted 15 Jan 2008 9:14 pm
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Sho-Bud never had a pulling system like that(It is more in the line of ZB's), Sho-Bud never had a key head like that or a changer like that and the decal is on top of the lacquer.
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Don Lanier
From:
Illinois, USA
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Stephen O'Brien
From:
Cortlandt Manor, NY, USA
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Posted 16 Jan 2008 5:30 am What in interesting guitar
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| I'll be very interested to find out who made this steel. I'd be even more interested to know how it plays -- the design of the pulling system is fascinating. |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 16 Jan 2008 8:36 am
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| I do not believe that is a Shobud. Although there are similarities underneath, there are some very significant differences. Many companies were copying Shobud's design. Some copied everything, others copied only part. I believe the keyheads and fingerboards are original, and are not Shobud by any stretch of the imagination. Nice guitar though! I'm gonna go back to the pics and do some zoomin' in. |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 16 Jan 2008 9:01 am
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Clyde said, "the decal is on top of the lacquer."
The Shobud labels on my Fingertip (Nashville) is beneath the lacquer, but the decals on my 1959 Permanent (Madison) are on top of the lacquer. That doesn't matter though, cuz this guitar isn't a Shobud. Every time I look I become more certain. No way. I wish the pics had a higher resolution. I try and zoom in for detail and they just blur out.
Fingertip changer
Permanent changer
Underside of F-tip, which the guitar in question is most similar to.
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Cartwright Thompson
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Posted 16 Jan 2008 10:14 am
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| I don't know a whole lot about Sho-Buds but I think it may be an old Permanent body that has been gutted and rebuilt with other parts. The necks look like the early Bud style. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Don Lanier
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 16 Jan 2008 3:32 pm SHO-BUD WANNABEE
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Well guys I can try and get more pics if needed, the guy is wanting to sell this and get a single neck E9 Sho Bud, but if this wasnt a Sho Bud to begin with, were still trying to figure out what it is, and what it now would be worth.
I know nothing about the instruments and trust many of you to give me the straight skinny on this instrument, it plays and has been used in performances for shows.
But Its the wrong Key(I think) Ill see if I can get him to send me more closer detailed photos to post.
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Don Lanier
Pearl Pro Audio
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Lem Smith
From:
Long Beach, MS
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Posted 16 Jan 2008 8:35 pm
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I do believe that Scotty is correct, and that this is going to be a permanent model Sho~Bud that's been gutted and reworked. The pedals look right, and the keyhead looks like some that I have seen that have had the anvil part removed and repolished to the anvil-less design.
Really neat looking inlay in it. Never seen any quite like that. |
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Don Lanier
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Illinois, USA
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Posted 16 Jan 2008 10:01 pm Sho Bud Permanent
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It is in excellent shape and underneath there is writing in pencil with different measurements, calculating the levers etc.
Were going to take more pics and post them soon. I thank everyone who has offered info and were always interested in what this is worth. He is wanting to buy a Sho-Bud E9 or trade for a nice one.
If anyone else knows about these please give us the information on it, we appreciate it.
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Don Lanier
Pearl Pro Audio
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Casey Lowmiller
From:
Kansas
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Posted 16 Jan 2008 10:51 pm
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| Whatever it is...it sure is purty!!! |
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Don Lanier
From:
Illinois, USA
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 17 Jan 2008 9:33 am
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Cartwright and Lem may by right,It looks like an old permanent. Bobbe Seymour would know...al.
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 17 Jan 2008 9:59 am
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| Some observations on the body. Now I have a 59 Perm and a mid-60s F-tip. Both of these guitars have a quarter round cross section between the upper and lower decks. All my Shobuds do. The 1/4 round is a bit less on the F-tip, but it's still there. The guitar in question is not rounded at all between the necks. It's a 90 degree cross section. Also, there is very little space between the necks on Shobuds. Look at the pics of the two changer ends I posted earlier. Note how much tighter the spacing is on those two old Shobuds. IOW, this guitar looks wider than a Shobud. The pull rods are also connected to the changer by "C-hooks." Just like a Fingertip, but the pedal rack in the body, and the crossrods, and the "pivots' are not remotely Shobud. |
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Lem Smith
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Long Beach, MS
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Posted 17 Jan 2008 10:43 am
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I'll readily admit that I'm not totally 100% sure what it is. To me, the pieces that hold the changer axle look more like those on a fingertip, as does the area behind the changer, but the area in front of the changer and around the pickup looks more like that of a permanent to me. I see the Sho~Bud "teardrop" knee levers, but I also see some other kind of knee levers as well. The pedals look right, but then again as John says, there are things that are most definitely not Sho~Bud on it.
My thinking was the the body originated as some type of transitional guitar between a permanent and a fingertip. Otherwise, I really dunno... |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 17 Jan 2008 11:12 am
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When Shobud started building the Fingertips, they used the same bodies for both the F-tip and the Perm, which they continued to build alongside the F-tip. Here's a pic of a couple of my guitars. Perm in the middle and the Fingertip in back.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 17 Jan 2008 11:16 am
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Here's a better pic of the Fingertip body for comparison.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 17 Jan 2008 11:30 am
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| Don, could you post a pic that shows the rear apron, the player's side? |
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Don Lanier
From:
Illinois, USA
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 19 Jan 2008 11:56 am
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The ticket says..."Many home made parts, very fragile, very odd mechanism..."
My opinion is that there's not a lot of Sho~Bud there, and that lowers the value significantly. |
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Don Lanier
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2008 3:13 pm Value
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Well the Steel is for sale and we are trying to establish its value now, well get more pics online soon but any care to venture what its worth, it seems to have some Sho Bud legacy and some Hand Crafted parts, anyone who can build that has to value there time and patience. It does play and has been used often, but its the wrong key for his needs. Its obvious that it has many fragile parts due to its designs, we dont know. He wants to buy a Sho Bud E9 so were tryng to get close, or if the value is not worth that(or close) He will probaby keep it. He has told me he wont sell it for nothing. Anyone interested or willing to venture an offer of value is welcome to do so. Thanks
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Pearl Pro Audio
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2008 3:28 pm
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| Don, why don't you contact Ricky Davis and see if he can do a conversion on it using John Coops parts? The guitar is quite lovely, and it might be worth a shot! |
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