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Topic: C6 Course Recommendations |
Lee Baucum
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McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 1 Mar 2006 2:43 pm |
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I recently acquired an Excel JB Frypan 8-stringer. I really like the sound of C6, with an E on top and an F on the bottom. Those big Maj7 and Min7 chords sound so pretty.
Can any of you experienced non-peddlers recommend a good course to help teach a pedal-steeler how to play this tuning?
Lee, from South Texas |
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Jesse Pearson
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San Diego , CA
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Posted 1 Mar 2006 9:15 pm
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See if this makes any sense?
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum2/HTML/008761.html
Dewitt Scott's steel site is good place to start looking for stuff. Jerry Byrd, Don Helms, Little Roy Wiggins and Dewitt Scott have great books and tapes and you can find them on Scotty's site. |
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Mark Treepaz
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Hamburg, New York USA
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Posted 2 Mar 2006 4:52 am
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| There are two DVD's available from Homespun by Cindi Cashdollar - "Learn To Play Western Swing Guitar" 1 & 2. She teaches using C6 on an eight string non pedal. You can find them online at www.homespuntapes.com |
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Todd Clinesmith
From:
Lone Rock Free State Oregon
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Posted 2 Mar 2006 7:01 am
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Bobbe Seymour has a few C6th videos . I belive he uses the F on bottom (bass)and the high E as well. I recomend them.
The Cindy Cashdollar videos are helpfull....she uses a high G C6th.
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Garry Vanderlinde
From:
CA
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Posted 2 Mar 2006 9:24 am
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| Bobbe Seymour's Non-Pedal volume 1 and 2 videos use that exact tuning with the E on top and the F on bottom. I've been working my way through it for the last couple of weeks. It’s a pretty wild way to look at C6. Fmaj7+9. Helps with the C6 pedal playing too. |
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Jesse Pearson
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San Diego , CA
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Posted 2 Mar 2006 10:31 am
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Garry, are trying to say Fmaj 7/9 ? The + indicates a sharp #9. It's not wild to look at the open/12th fret of C6 as being a F Major 7/9 chord, it's used in Hawaiian style a lot.
F Maj 7/9 = F A C E G.
1 3 5 7 9
String note interval
1 E maj 7th
2 C 5th
3 A 3rd
4 G 9th
5 E maj 7th
6 C 5th
7 A 3rd
8 F root
If you look at the charts below, you'll see why the 12th fret position of C6 can be 7 different chord positions, as can all fret positions. Denny Turner was the first guy I ever heard talking about looking at the neck this way, but it sure works.
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum2/HTML/008761.html
[This message was edited by Jesse Pearson on 02 March 2006 at 10:43 AM.] |
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Garry Vanderlinde
From:
CA
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Posted 2 Mar 2006 2:20 pm
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What I actually was trying to say was-
IT SURE SOUNDS PURTY 
- but thanks, you are correct in the natural 9th designation. If indeed you can have a real 9th chord without having a -7th(got it right that time)in there also. I don't really know.
I like your chord charts. But can you make them more "Country" as Jeff Newman use to say.
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Ron Brennan
From:
Orlando, Florida, USA; Formerly, Edison, NJ
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Posted 2 Mar 2006 2:39 pm
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Lee,
Ditto comments on Bobbe Seymour's tapes...C6th, E on top, F on bottom...Tapes one & two.
IMHO, they are very understandable. I too would recommend Bobbe's presentation highly.
Like he say's on the tapes, once you get his method, you can just build your C6th song repertoire fairly easlily.
Plus, they were enjoyable to do and review...Hope this helps..TX
rgds,
Ron
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"55" Stringmaster D8,"59" Stringmaster D6
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Jesse Pearson
From:
San Diego , CA
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Posted 2 Mar 2006 2:51 pm
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What do you mean by more country, Garry?
The F major 7/9, means major 7th grip or major 9th grip. A 9th chord can be Dom or major. There's chord partials in the Mixolydian box for a dom 9th chord sound. You can play a partial non root F dom 9 by playing C min triad. I have some slants I use for Dom 7 and Dom 9 chords.
F dom 9 = F A C Eb G
1 3 5 b7 9
string note fret interval
1 G 3 9th
2 Eb 3 b7
4 A 2 3rd
[This message was edited by Jesse Pearson on 02 March 2006 at 03:28 PM.] |
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Garry Vanderlinde
From:
CA
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Posted 2 Mar 2006 4:39 pm
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| What do you mean by more country…? |
Jeff Newman said that I should speak more "country" after he asked the class why do we play a C7 before you go to a F chord? I replied something like; because the Bb note is part of the F scale. He said it was because it sounded good!
I think what it means is don’t get hung up about the technicality of it all. What does it sound like?
Can it be made easier to understand all the numbers and strange names given to these scales or maybe a reason to do so.
Thank you for posting your chord charts. I will study them as long as my A.D.D. will allow.
[This message was edited by Garry Vanderlinde on 03 March 2006 at 12:43 AM.] |
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Jesse Pearson
From:
San Diego , CA
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Posted 2 Mar 2006 5:15 pm
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Garry, it's that old saying; "learn all you can and then forget it" which really means "learn it till it turns into automatic pilot".
What you get out of that stuff is totally up to you. I keep trying to find a way to see the C6 neck in as easy a way as I can see the guitar, the approaches are the same but pulling them out of the necks are way different. Playing the melody on the upper 2 strings of C6 and then using the lower strings to harmonize is great to finally understand, it's one of the secrets of non-pedal.
You have to know how to spell chords pretty good amongst other things to really use those charts. I've known plenty of working musicians who know very little theory and just use their ear to learn stuff and play out. Learning theory has taken my ear and natural talents way beyond what I was able to come up with on my own. In the end, it comes down to your phrasing, feel, groove etc. I like reviewing this stuff, so if you have any questions in the future that you think I might be able to answer, please feel free to email me.
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Garry Vanderlinde
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CA
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Posted 2 Mar 2006 9:29 pm
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| Thanks Jesse, I'll email you-garry [This message was edited by Garry Vanderlinde on 02 March 2006 at 09:31 PM.] |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 3 Mar 2006 7:42 am
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Thanks, guys. I guess I'll need to contact Bobbe. Now, if you two Californians want to come to South Texas...
Lee |
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Bobbe Seymour
From:
Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 3 Mar 2006 8:40 am
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Thank you Lee and all for the nice comments.
If one would care to click on my website: www.steelguitar.net, you can see the Bigsby clips that I use this tuning on, (necks one and three).
The middle neck is also a C6th 8 string neck but I tune the last two strings lower for my "Thumb style" playing.
All have the minor on the top three strings.
Bobbe[This message was edited by BobbeSeymour on 03 March 2006 at 08:46 AM.] |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Jeff Au Hoy
From:
Honolulu, Hawai'i
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Posted 4 Mar 2006 6:19 am
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BEAUTIFUL. I give up, I'm going surfing.  |
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Ron Brennan
From:
Orlando, Florida, USA; Formerly, Edison, NJ
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Posted 6 Mar 2006 8:54 am
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Ditto Jeff,
Those C6 clips are soooo neat...I'd go surfin to, after watching Seymour...but it's too cold & I got no surf board.....I'd go flyin instead, but he's up there too....gheesh.......TX
Rgds,
Ron |
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