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Topic: Sho~Bud Crossover - Any Luck at all with the mechanism? |
Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 10 Dec 2007 6:40 pm |
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I was wondering if anybody had any luck at all with the mechanism in this type of Sho~Bud. I've only heard negative things about this model Sho~Bud. Has anybody had a positive experience with the tuning when changing the lever from neck to neck?
There's one on Ebay now for $1,699 BIN and it is dead mint. What a sweet guitar. Could they really have been that bad for tuning?  I had a non-crossover Baldwin D10 from this era, and the tone was out of this world.
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 10 Dec 2007 8:11 pm
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It was a fantastic idea. So there must be a reason everybody got rid of theirs, and Sho-Bud quit making them. People say they have fantastic tone. And some people converted them to regular fixed double-necks, or just locked it to one neck and left it that way. Also, Williams supposedly makes a modern cross-over that works well - maybe they could custom adapt their mechanism to a Sho-Bud/Baldwin. But if you leave it stock and try to use the cross-over feature, I expect you will encounter the usual frustration with instability and tuning problems. Also, they are one of the heaviest pedal steels ever made.
I played one a time or two that a friend has. One problem was that it didn't always make the switch completely. You had to fiddle with it and reach up under it and manipulate some things. And it just seemed impossible to get both necks to play in tune and stay that way. I couldn't really tell about the tone, because the strings were old. |
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Ken Pippus
From:
Langford, BC, Canada
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Posted 10 Dec 2007 8:49 pm
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Coop says they make a great SD-10, if you have a fairly strong back.
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Roger Shackelton
From:
MINNESOTA (deceased)
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Posted 10 Dec 2007 11:45 pm
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I'm sure a Sho-Bud Baldwin Guitar that is properly set-up would operate just fine. It would help if the owner had some mechanical knowledge to maintain the guitar.
Bill Rudolph at the Williams Guitar Co. will not install his parts on another brand of guitar.
b0b has owned a D-10 Williams Crossover PSG and presently owns a D-12 Williams Crossover PSG. If you need information ask the man that owns one. |
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Paul Warnik
From:
Illinois,USA
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Posted 11 Dec 2007 12:25 am
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| I owned one that had been rebuilt by Mike Cass-It functioned as it was designed to-I really believe that the pedal placement makes them much more comfortable playing the bottom neck (C6TH) than top neck |
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Tom Higgins
From:
New Jersey, USA
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Posted 11 Dec 2007 5:31 am
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| BTW,Chris,the BIN was $1999,the guitar sold for $1625 according to the seller.Tou`re right,it was mint,but I suspect the buyer didn`t know the mechanics of a Crossover,or had deep pockets.I have three,plan to convert them to Professional or ProII specs when I get a chance. |
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Tom Higgins
From:
New Jersey, USA
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Posted 11 Dec 2007 5:50 am
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| This seller is playing games.This guitar was listed with a BIN for $1999,OR BEST OFFER.That auction ended yesterday afternoon(Mon).I emailed the seller to ask if the guitar sold,because you can`t tell with a best offer sale.They replied that it sold for $1625.Now it`s back,same seller with a BIN of $1699. |
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Chris LeDrew
From:
Canada
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Posted 11 Dec 2007 5:58 am
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Weird......I'm curious to see how this one turns out. Thanks for the heads-up.
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Jim Palenscar
From:
Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 11 Dec 2007 6:42 am
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| I have had several in and out of the shop and they can be made to play just fine if they are not already. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 11 Dec 2007 9:22 am
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"This seller is playing games"
Probably not. He's got very good feedback and a lot of items sold. He may have been screwed over by a fake buyer, or somethin'........ |
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Bob Baringer
From:
Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 11 Dec 2007 12:54 pm
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| I bought a "Baldwin crossover" new, I had problems, it would stay in tune for about three songs then retune over and over, took it back to Nashville from northeast Pennsylvania 11 times, got to know the Jackson boys quite well even met Lloyd Green, they would try many fixes,replaced the barrels (steel) with brass,even sawed the wood necks off and put on complete aluminum block with new changers but nothing worked, it did sound great and looked great but didnot play very well, sold it...Bob |
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Alan Brookes
From:
Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 11 Dec 2007 6:38 pm
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I have two Crossovers, and I wouldn't trade them. They're great instruments, and I play them all the time. The only drawback is they have only one knee lever.
Has anyone added additional knee levers to Crossovers ? |
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Jim Smith
From:
Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 11 Dec 2007 7:09 pm
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My first double neck was a Baldwin Crossover. I made some brackets to mount three more knee levers and hooked them up to the last three pedals.
The levers worked both necks with the crossover lever, although I didn't use LKL on C6. That gave me 3&4 on E9 and 4&3 on C6, and it worked great!
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Roger Edgington
From:
San Antonio, Texas USA
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Posted 11 Dec 2007 7:12 pm
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| I have one all apart that needs refinished and all. I haven't decided for sure, but I'll probably go back with a more standard system and add more knee levers. I'll also get a double case. |
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Jim Bates
From:
Alvin, Texas, USA
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Posted 11 Dec 2007 8:31 pm
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Yes, I was able to set up my New (in 1969) Sho-Bud X-over to where it would play just fine in either position of the lever. You do have to leave a little 'lost motiom' (or slop) in both necks, but it can be minimized using some mechanical knowledge and a lot of patience. Once you get it set-up, then do NOT change it and always keep the same gauges (and brand)of strings on it.
It was very stable in the tuning. I would always tune it just before we started playing a gig and maybe touch it up during our halftime break. Properly adjustment of the barrels is very important to this.
ALSO,in the 12 years I played on this guitar I NEVER had a string break while playing! My next gutars were Sho-Bud Pro III's and Emmons LeGrand, all of which would break strings at the bridge end.
As I have said before, the Sho-Bud X-over at the time was the first guitar produced that was easy to change tunings on, which helped us guys who were still inventing our own personlized cho-pedants.
Thanx,
Jim |
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Paul Warnik
From:
Illinois,USA
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Posted 12 Dec 2007 1:58 am
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| Alan F. Brookes wrote: |
I have two Crossovers, and I wouldn't trade them. They're great instruments, and I play them all the time. The only drawback is they have only one knee lever.
Has anyone added additional knee levers to Crossovers ? |
Alan-the one I had which was rebuilt by Mike Cass had two additional knees added with Sho-Bud parts-I believe RKR and LKL were the positions added so in the end it was 6 and 3-The two additional knees only worked the top (E9th) neck so they were not operated with the crossover mechanism |
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Jim Bates
From:
Alvin, Texas, USA
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Posted 12 Dec 2007 4:59 pm
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Sorry, I failed to mention that I had added a LKL to my X-over. Was fortunate to get Sho-Bud parts for a Professional that worked great. Never tried adding any others.
Thanx,
Jim |
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