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Topic: Violining? |
Roger Shackelton
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MINNESOTA (deceased)
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 12:16 am |
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| Is anyone person given credit for inventing the lap steel guitar technique of VIOLINING? |
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Jeff Au Hoy
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Honolulu, Hawai'i
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 12:26 am
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| Hey this is a cool question! I think it would be hard to pinpoint the inventor of the technique (the guy to turn up the first electric guitar?). But I wonder who got volume swells on record first? [This message was edited by Jeff Au Hoy on 17 February 2006 at 12:27 AM.] |
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Ed Altrichter
From:
Schroeder, Minnesota, USA
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 3:31 am
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| What's "violining" ? |
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Gerald Ross
From:
Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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Ron Bednar
From:
Rancho Cordova, California, USA
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 7:37 am
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Hmm, didn't the guy from Spinal Tap invent that, or was it Jimmy Page? Oops you said lap steel technique...  [This message was edited by Ron Bednar on 17 February 2006 at 07:38 AM.] |
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Howard Tate
From:
Leesville, Louisiana, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 8:41 am
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Absolutly gorgeous!
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Bill Blacklock
From:
Powell River, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 8:45 am
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I could be wrong, but wasn't "you shock me" (Zep 1)done on a Rickenbacher steel.
You out there Jimmy? |
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 9:30 am
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| Gerald's example is around 1:08 on Kaula Ili. It seems to be using a volume pedal to completely squelch the attack, then to sustain and swell the notes as with a violin bow - very good example. |
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Rick Aiello
From:
Berryville, VA USA
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 9:39 am
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Bobby I.'s a Pinky Guy ...
And they say I can't write lyrics 
I don't know who was the first to record the "pinky swell" ... but no doubt ... Dick McIntire was the earliest Master !!!
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George Keoki Lake
From:
Edmonton, AB., Canada
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 9:56 am
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| Dick McIntire was the MASTER with the "pinky". I wish I could post his music. There is one tune, (the title slips me at the moment) where he played the ENTIRE song using his pinky. This, way back in the early forties. I know Bobby never uses a vol pedal, 'nor did Dick. Vol pedals were rare back in the early forties. In the late forties, a friend of mine rigged up a volume pedal for me using an old sewing machine pedal. It worked great. Weird looking contraption. |
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Gerald Ross
From:
Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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Rick Aiello
From:
Berryville, VA USA
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 10:33 am
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I can take a hint ...
Dick McIntire's version of ...
Shadows in the Dark
Courtesy of Cumquat Records ... off Dick McIntire: Vol 3
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 10:57 am
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| Okay, I think it may be a counter problem. I listened to Shadows in the Dark and heard what sounds like violining to me in the intro and in the ride starting about 0:48. If it is not a counter problem, then maybe Bobby does it at 2:08 and 1:08, and it just sounds more effective to me at 1:08. |
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Jeff Au Hoy
From:
Honolulu, Hawai'i
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 10:59 am
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| Bobby Ingano is my mentor and friend. He does not use a volume pedal. "Violining" is simply bringing your volume up gradually from zero by using the pinky or ring finger (or both) of the picking hand. It masks the attack of the pick. That's all there is to it. |
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Jeff Au Hoy
From:
Honolulu, Hawai'i
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 11:03 am
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| There is no violining happening at 1:08 of the Bobby sample. That's just his touch. I am 100% positive. |
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 11:49 am
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| Are we talking about 1:08 from the beginning or end of the track? |
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Gerald Ross
From:
Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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George Keoki Lake
From:
Edmonton, AB., Canada
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 12:20 pm
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"I listened to Shadows in the Dark and heard what sounds like violining to me in the intro..."
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David, I can assure you there is NO VIOLIN in that selection. It's all being played on the steel via Dick's "pinky"....(no volume pedal). That was the selection I was referring to earlier...just couldn't bring the name up in my ancient memory bank. |
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Jason Dumont
From:
Bristol, Connecticut, USA
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 12:48 pm
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| Well on my counter it's 2:08 and my god that is beautiful playing! Gerald thank you for posting that! |
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Herman Visser
From:
Rohnert Park, California, USA
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 1:36 pm
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| Its at 2:08 here also great stuff Sure wuold like to see that done live to get a better understanding of it . |
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 1:37 pm
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| Okay, mystery solved. My Winamp starts at 3:17 and counts down. When it gets to 1:08, that is 2:08 from the beginning. That's where the violining is that we all hear. George, I realize it's all being done on steel with the volume knob. I was using the term "violining" to refer to that, rather than an actual violin. It's very beautiful and amazing on both the tracks above. |
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Garry Vanderlinde
From:
CA
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 1:46 pm
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| Please NO VIOLINCE! |
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Bill Creller
From:
Saginaw, Michigan, USA (deceased)
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 2:36 pm
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| Bobby is playing an 8 string bakelite on that tune. He removed the bottom string because he likes seven. |
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George Keoki Lake
From:
Edmonton, AB., Canada
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Posted 17 Feb 2006 3:18 pm
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Please NO VIOLINCE!
I'm "bowing" out of this as I don't have the "guts" |
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