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Topic: does anybody have this change 4th pedal e9th |
Paul Wade
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mundelein,ill
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Posted 11 Dec 2007 1:29 pm |
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pull out this old tunning chart and look at the 4th pedal on E9th 5th string B to C# 6TH string G# TO A
IF, SO how do you use that change......
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Larry Bell
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Englewood, Florida
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Posted 11 Dec 2007 2:08 pm
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That's known as the 'Isaacs Pedal'. There are voicings that result from a pedal pull in the upper octave B but not in the lower and the lower G# but not in the upper that are cool. You end up with
B D E F# A C# E G# D# F#
There's a nice AMaj7 on 6 5 4 3
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F#m7 or m9 on 7 6 5 4 3
You can always just use it like Bud's Bounce for the EMaj to AMaj change that made E9 Pedal Steel what it is today.
If you only have one pedal, that's the one. 
It is thoroughly discussed in
This thread (click here) |
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Paul Wade
From:
mundelein,ill
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Posted 13 Dec 2007 6:21 am
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thanks larry for your help....
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 13 Dec 2007 7:40 am
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Paul, scroll on down in this section to the topic named "Isaacs Pedal". It'll have a lot of info on it for you. I have that pedal in slot 4 also...JH in Va.
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Bob Knight
From:
Bowling Green KY
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Posted 13 Dec 2007 8:01 am WHY?
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Why would you waste a pedal for that change?  Unless I missed something, most of us already have those pulls, ie: A & B pedals, first string F# to G# with a knee lever.
Am I wrong?
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Bob |
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Roger Rettig
From:
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Posted 13 Dec 2007 8:24 am
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With respect, Bob, I think you are.
The recent thread on 'Isaacs Pedal' went into a lot of detail but, for me, the best use is getting a 4 chord (A at zero fret) with a B (5th) in the bass (a 4/5 chord).
We can ALMOST get it with our existing B and C pedals (because the 10th string doesn't raise to C# with our C pedal, leaving a B note on the 10th), but the 'Isaacs' change permits us to play strings 10, 6, 5 and 4 - the E note on top of the chord is wonderful. The C pedal, of course, will raise our 4th to an F#.
The 'Isaacs' is a recent addition for me, but vital; I have to play a lot of relatively modern pop music from time to time, and a 4/5 chord is invaluable.
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Bob Knight
From:
Bowling Green KY
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Posted 13 Dec 2007 8:30 am
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Thanks Roger,
I did not see the whole picture, as the post only mentioned strings 76543. I think my theory is right here,
But you are absolutely correct in your answer also.
Big E was experimenting with a variaton of this change a while back, I think
Regards,
Bob |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 13 Dec 2007 8:47 am
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Certainly, Bob.
Wasn't Buddy doing something like either disengaging the raise on his 10th string with his A pedal, or, at least, lowering it back down again with another lever when he engaged his A pedal?
I seem to recall there was talk of this when he got the new JCH from Jimmie.
Whatever it was (or is!), getting a 5th in the bass is all that was missing from my E9 before I had this change as my 4th pedal.
I also quite like the major-seventh chord with the 'Isaacs' pedal - it's just 6,5,4 and 3, and you can grab it as a rake or a four-finger grip. It's a bit more accessible than raising the first string, then having to play 6,5 4 and 1.
Best,
RR |
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Bob Knight
From:
Bowling Green KY
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Posted 13 Dec 2007 9:00 am
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The Big E wrote this:
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The decision making is still ongoing but the change I like most so far is having taken the low B to C# raise off my first pedal and putting it on one of the two extra left knee levers.
In the open position, Pedals A & B down with strings 4, 5, 6, and 10 is a 4 over 5 chord.
I lower the 10th string one tone, on my right knee right lever. Using it and the knee lever that lowers my Es gives me a 5 chord with a 4 chord root (strings 4, 5, 7, and 10).
Pedals A and B with the RKR is a four chord with strings 5, 6, 8, and 10.
Releasing pedal B in the last example resolves into a nice major 7th voicing.
That’s the basics for now but you might want to check in at a later time for the final setup. This quest has been going on for 50 years so don’t try to pin me down for a specific date.
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 13 Dec 2007 9:08 am
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