| How many pedals on your E9th? |
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51% |
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| Four (Franklin pedal) |
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21% |
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| Four (other) |
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11% |
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| Five or more |
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15% |
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Topic: How many pedals on your E9th? |
Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 27 Nov 2007 9:10 am |
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Having four pedals for the E9th tuning, and the Franklin pedal in particular, has been gaining in popularity. When I started playing pedal steel in 1983, very few players were using more pedals on E9th than the standard A, B, and C--mostly those who were playing older steels from the era of few or no knee levers.
I'm curious as to how widespread the trend toward more than three E9th pedals is at this point in steel guitar history.
EDIT: To clarify, I'm talking about foot pedals.
Last edited by Brint Hannay on 27 Nov 2007 4:09 pm; edited 4 times in total |
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John Drury
From:
Gallatin, Tn USA
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Posted 27 Nov 2007 9:31 am
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Five, #4 raises 3, 5, & 6, #5 lowers 9 & 10.
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Jerry Erickson
From:
Atlanta,IL 61723
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Posted 27 Nov 2007 11:44 am
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| Five here, P$ dropping 5&10 P8 raising 1 half, 2 a whole. My 2nd string is tuned to D. Thanks Jimmy! |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 27 Nov 2007 12:19 pm
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Five for me, but no 'Franklin change'! I've yet to see that as an indispensable pull.
My 5th pull is:
Raising my 6th string to A# - very useful!
RR |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 27 Nov 2007 1:22 pm
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Roger, as you may remember, I have that change, too. It's my fourth pedal of four, in the "zero pedal" position.
If that's your 5th pull, what's your 4th pull? |
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Michael Dene
From:
Gippsland,Victoria, Australia
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Posted 27 Nov 2007 1:36 pm
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Five, ... P4 raises 6 to A# and 5 to C#.
..........P5 lowers 5 to Bb
(P5 is 'cause I use LKV to raise 4 to F#) |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 27 Nov 2007 3:06 pm
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Brint - I do remember.
My knees:
LKL - lowers 'E's
LKR - raises 'E's
LKV - raises G# to A#
RKL - lowers 'B's to Bb
RKR - lowers 9 to C#, and 2 to D#/D
I like the G# raise on a knee, then I can, in conjunction with my A pedal, get a nice F#9 at the zero position.
If I raise the G#, lower my 'E's, then use my A pedal, there's a nice F#6/9 at the same spot.
These are just some of its applications. It's a very pretty 'pull', in my view, and infinitely more useful than the more-common G# 'lower'. Depends what you want to get, though, I suppose.
RR |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 27 Nov 2007 3:36 pm
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Roger, Perhaps I should have been clearer in stating the premise of this poll, but I meant how many foot pedals, as distinct from knee levers.
That said, I am able to do the combinations you mentioned using the G#->A# raise on the "zero" pedal, given that my ABC pedals are in the Emmons setup, so the A# raise is beside the A pedal, and my E lowers are on RKL.
Michael, I get your P4 combination with the Zero pedal + A pedal combination.
Different routes to the same goals. Gotta love pedal steel!  |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 27 Nov 2007 4:05 pm
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I have eight of 'em....... my A & B pedals are in the 2nd & 3rd slots (Emmons setup) the rest are as follows...........
P1....raises 7th string F# To G# and lowers string 12 E to C#
P4....raises 5th string B to C# and 6th string G# to A...(Issacs Pedal)
P5....raises 5th string B to C# and 6th string G# to A#
P6....lowers string 7 F# to F and raises string 12 E to F
P7....raises 1st string F# to G, raises 9th string C# to D, and lowers 12th string E to D
P8....raises string 4 E to F# (Mooney pedal)
Note....pedals 7 & 8 are usually played with the right foot.
Also, my basic tuning is and extended E9 except I tune my 2nd and 9th strings to C#........JH in Va.
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 27 Nov 2007 4:40 pm
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Brint - I'm so sorry!!! I completely misread the title!
There I was going on about knee-levers, and it was all hot air....
BUT: The answer is still 'four'.
As I said, I have the 'Day' set-up, and my fourth pedal raises 6 (G# to A) and 5 (B to C#). This is a brilliant change for me - I can get a '4' chord with the 5th note in the bass (10th string), and it's an instant major-seventh with strings 6,5,4 and 3.
I'd been pondering the best way to get the 4/5 chord for a long time, and I'm indebted to Dave Robbins for clearing the mist away! I'm told this is sometimes known as the 'Isaacs Pedal'.
Once again, my apologies for not paying attention in the first place!
RR
(...and now I see that Jerry has that change, and has quoted its name, 'Isaacs'. That makes two senior moments within a short period!) |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 27 Nov 2007 5:18 pm
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| I've noted that Jimmie Crawford, in the book "Pedal Steel Guitar: A Manual of Style", had that pedal, too. I might have to add a pedal 5! I'm always looking for a 4/5 chord. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 27 Nov 2007 5:27 pm
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Yes! The 4/5 chord is hard to find on the standard E9 set-up, yet it is, for me, a vital ingredient of modern 'pop' music.
Trust Jimmie to have worked it out years ago! It was Jimmie who taught me how to really use the 9th string 'lower', along with A&B, B, and B&C pedals. He was a very musical guy who thought way outside the confines of country music. I was very lucky to have toured with him (with Slim Whitman) in Britain about seventeen years ago. He was very kind to me, and endlessly encouraging.
I keep saying it, but one day (soon?) I'm going to trade my double-neck guitars for an extended E9 and really think these pedals through! I'm gonna keep that 'D' in the bass, though....
Who wants to buy a pair of Legrande 111s?
RR |
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Michael Barone
From:
Downingtown, Pennsylvania
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Posted 27 Nov 2007 5:33 pm
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Pedal 4 - B to Bb, both strings (F#'s to G on LKV)
Pedal 5 - E to D, both strings
I sometimes toggle between pedal 5 and RKL which lowers E's to D#. Often used with 2nd string and 9th string lowered to C#, on LKL, a place where I think sometimes I could use a locking lever.
In B6 mode, I like this for big band stuff, when going from the I6 to IV9, the 2nd & 9th strings still being useful for both with the C# there.
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Larry Strawn
From:
Golden Valley, Arizona, R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Nov 2007 5:43 pm
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Four for me. 
P-4 Franklin pull.
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Billy Carr
From:
Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)
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Posted 28 Nov 2007 3:46 am pedals
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3 pedals & 5 KL'ers on my S-10D Magnum. I tend to
look at what Lloyd Green did with 3 & 4 all those years. I like working with the basics. |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 29 Nov 2007 7:15 am
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Casey Lowmiller
From:
Kansas
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Posted 1 Dec 2007 4:35 pm
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3 on my Sho-Bud
4 on my LaGarritt-P4 is the Franklin pedal
My Z.B. will have 5. P4 will be the Franklin & P5 will be the Lowmiller pedal.
Casey
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Don Brown, Sr.
From:
New Jersey
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Posted 1 Dec 2007 5:06 pm
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Gosh, I'm outdated..
3 Pedals on E9th neck
8 Pedals, 4 knees, (1) serves both necks, E9 & C6 |
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Rick Kornacker
From:
Dixon Springs, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 2 Dec 2007 9:14 am just a quick question!
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Hey Brint!I was wondering what kind of a set-up Bill put on your guitar back when. Maybe you could post your co-pedant in this thread or e-mail me. I guess you know what my set-up(still)is. Thanks...and play goooood! RK 
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James Morehead
From:
Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 2 Dec 2007 9:52 am
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| 3 pedals on my buds. |
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Don Blood
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 2 Dec 2007 2:24 pm Pedals
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| I have 6 on my Sho-bud 6140. No knee levers yet. 3 pedals have what normally would be on knee levers. I think I'm used to it though,maybe. |
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Barry Gaskell
From:
Cheshire, UK
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Posted 2 Dec 2007 2:44 pm
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Four
Pedal 1 flattens 5/6 1 tone
Pedal 2 sharpens 5/10 1 tone, compensator on 7.
Pedal 3 sharpens 3/6 1/2 tone.
pedal 4 sharpens 2 1 tone, sharpens 5/7 1/2 tone.
Barry |
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Alan Brookes
From:
Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 2 Dec 2007 3:15 pm
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Six, but only one knee pedal, and they all also work on the C6 neck. That's the standard configuration for a Sho-Bud Crossover.
...but the question really should be, "How many of them do I use ?"
I answered for the pedal steel I use on a day-by-day basis, but in addition to the 2 Sho-Buds I also have a Carter, a Miller, two Multi-Kords and a plethora of non-pedal instruments. I'm working on a Fender, a Sho-Bud Fingertip and a 3rd Multi-Kord and I have a second Fender being delivered on Wednesday.
(...and I'm running out of space !) |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 2 Dec 2007 4:47 pm
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| 4 floor pedals...no C pedal...secret floor and knee configuration...!! |
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