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Charles Davidson · From: Phenix City Alabama, USA

I enjoyed the Hank JR tribute show last night,don't you know.
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Hard headed, opinionated old geezer. BAMA CHARLIE. GOD BLESS AMERICA. ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVIST. SUPPORT LIVE MUSIC !

Kevin Hatton · From: Buffalo, N.Y.

I didn't. Not from someone who embraces Kid Rock as Country, is self rightous to proclaim himself The Real Deal when he has turned into a rock act, embraced other rock acts, and generally turned his back on real country music which made him what he is. He needs to take a lesson from his son The III. He IS The Real Deal. He distains the Nashville Pop Country industry and refuses to be bought off because of his family name. He has stated so publicly many times. Just listen to "Not Everybody Likes Us". He could be a Toby Keith but refuses to be phony, a sellout, and not country. If anyone is The Real Deal as far as country music goes its Hank III. He'll raise the hair on the back of your neck. Monster real Hillbilly Country.

Mike Winter · From: Portland, OR

Yeah, you "Hard headed,opinionated,old geezer"...I can't figure you liking it since you're so against all the modern rock, pop stuff. Hank, Jr...and those like him...seem to be for everything you seem to be against: Drink, drugs, bad manners, bad attire, rock and roll, etc. Shocked

Dave Mudgett · From: Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee

I didn't see this particular show, but I've seen lots of Hank Jr., and I generally like him. He helped pioneer the rock-country thing long before it became fashionable. I don't think it's reasonable to expect him to try to be a clone of his daddy, and I give him credit for finding a way to do his own thing. He carved out his own niche, and has made important contributions to music. "Born to Boogie" is a great anthem, and a great blending of blues, rock, and country. I hear no real "pop" in Hank Jr. - he forged his own style and owns it, one time me and Charlie agree.

As far as Hank III goes - if you've ever seen him live, you know that he plays it old-school for a while, and then goes into deep hardcore music. Again, a man who does what he wants, and does both well. I understand that many dislike the latter, but I respect what he's going for.

Charles Davidson · From: Phenix City Alabama, USA

Kevin,you made some good points there,Mike what I always gripe about[you mentioned modern rock and pop]being marketed as country music,It's NOT.I know by some of my posts some may think that I believe there is only ONE type of music,Classic Country,far from the truth,The band I play in at the present plays NOTHING but Classic country,A previous band play NOTHING but Southern rock and blues,Some times I played in bands that played the 30's and 40's big band tunes,Some times in top 40 rock and roll,My musical heros range from Hank Snow to Charlie [bird] Parker.Just don't try to tell me this stuff they call country today IS country.I never thought of Hank JR,as country,more Southern rock.As far as Shelton is concerned,I think he has always put to much emphasis on the bad boy image,He's a good writer,and the first half of his show is good,then goes into the heavy metal set with the filthy lyrics with satanic overtones is really not helping him much,don't you know.
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Hard headed, opinionated old geezer. BAMA CHARLIE. GOD BLESS AMERICA. ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVIST. SUPPORT LIVE MUSIC !

Mike Winter · From: Portland, OR

Gotcha

Kevin Hatton · From: Buffalo, N.Y.

Thats true about Hank III. He's vulgar, but let me tell you. There's something more important. He's REAL, and he's not ashamed of it. If you listen to "Not Everybody Likes Us" he is saying it just like it is. Not glossed over. He indites pop country and indites his own father for embracing some phoney wanna be like Kid Rock. You may not like his language but he's telling the truth right to you about Nashville's "Pop Country" and Kid Rock. Thats A1 in my book. I'm buying his latest CD and as soon as he comes close I'm buying tickets to see him and bringing friends to support him. I may not stay for the goth rock, but I'll stay for the country part. He's the truth. He's more Hank than Jr.
This is the EXACT reason why Waylon Jennings and Willie Nelson left Nashville. Waylon said someday that they (Nashville)would call his name and that he wouldn't be there to answer, and they did, and he wasn't. His power came from the country people, not from media powers in Nashville and N.Y. Same with Willie. Hank III is the same way. He's speaking directly to country music people raw. Hank III is more of an outlaw than his father ever thought he was. That T.V. show was Jr's self serving platform. Waylon would have never allowed it about himself. He was too real. CMT is a joke.

Charles Davidson · From: Phenix City Alabama, USA

Kevin,thats great you support and like Shelton,A young guy I worked with a couple of years got to be good friends with Shelton,hung out with him a lot,Shelton even sang a duet with him on his last CD,For myself I'm far from being an old fuddy duddy even tho I have NEVER drank or smoked a little weed,I have been around it my whole musical career,proberly 90 percent of the guys I worked with over the years did one or both,I don't condone it ,but they are still my friends,But when Shelton started the satanic stuff[He may just have been trying to promote his metal image]That's when I lost my respect for him,don't you know.
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Hard headed, opinionated old geezer. BAMA CHARLIE. GOD BLESS AMERICA. ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVIST. SUPPORT LIVE MUSIC !

Kevin Hatton · From: Buffalo, N.Y.

Charles, I agree with you. I don't like it either. Its down right evil. My basic point is that Shelton is real, not a sellout. I can respect that. Myles Davis was real and he was a drug addict. Waylon was real and he was a coke addict. Artisticly I respect that more than selling out to media powers. With a couple of phone calls Hank III could be THE biggest thing in top 40 country. He won't do it. Listen to the words of his songs. They actually say something real.

James Cann · From: Phoenix, AZ

Interesting thread, as are many on the forum.

The keyword here is "vulgar." Try this: start with the (edited, but in traditional dictionary order)denotation:

"of the masses,common; vernacular, lacking in taste, delicacy, refinement, or breeding; boorish; crudely indecent;"

and, perhaps most appropriate to the thread,

"offensively excessive in self-display or expenditure; ostentatious."

Now, what better word to define the likes of Hank (Jr. or III), Shooter Jennings, Gretchen Wilson (and so many other "Nashville-driven-cover-and-"on the radio" artists). . .

Talk about cover! How about anyone singing badonkadonk-type country, whose concerts are rife with fireworks, flying trapeze entries, audience front row of carefully selected hot babes in T-shirts and hats, songs with lyrics too sloganistic to be sincere, let alone honest; indistinguishable band talent as everyone is playing at the same time, (this space for whatever other traits occur to you), etc., etc.?

LJ Eiffert · From: California, USA

O.K. Kevin Hatton,now you're dog paddling in my waters.When you address that " Toby Keith " is phony. You need to take a good look at your own words. Toby Keith is the Real Deal for The Steel-Guitar and it's Music. I'll ask you the same question that some finger tip loud mouths can't seem to answer.Do you know him personally to judge him as a phony!.And,what is it that makes you think he is from your mind. In respect - Leo J.Eiffert,Jr.

LJ Eiffert · From: California, USA

Bump:...Big Dog Toby Daddy Keith's Hot! Just look at CMT.And it looks like " Garth Brooks " is coming from the back side of 40 in the # 1 spot. He'll be helping the firefighter in California soon. Thanks CMT,just keep them Steel - Guitars alive. Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. & Pigeons

Mike Winter · From: Portland, OR

Big deal...Billy Gilman sold a ton back in 2000...where has he been lately? Rascal Flats and Kenny Cheesy are doing it now. What does that prove, other than some people don't have good taste? Since when did selling out...I mean selling a lot of CD's equate to artistic respectability? Dale Watson is a prime example. Add Steve Earle, Derailers...the list goes on.

Kevin Hatton · From: Buffalo, N.Y.

LJ, I am not implying that Toby Keith is a phoney. I only used him as an example of commercial success and big stature in the music business. Toby Keith is quite good at what he does and is real at what he does. He never would have started Lucky Dog Records if he wasn't. He's very smart. Not my brand of country, but he is doing what he wants. Nashville labels force a new artist to their mold. This is what I mean about being phoney.

LJ Eiffert · From: California, USA

Hello Kevin Hatton,I respect you & your reply.No,Country Music today is not Country,it's just Music.And when it comes to " Toby Keith " it's his Trade Mark of style that he puts in his Music, called Country. At lease most of his Music has Steel-Guitar & his Band. Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. & Pigeons

Barry Blackwood · Posted 24 Nov 2007 6:31 pm

"Thats true about Hank III. He's vulgar, but let me tell you. There's something more important. He's REAL, and he's not ashamed of it."

Let's see - he's vulgar, he's REAL. That must mean he's REAL vulgar. That's something I don't think belongs in country music, real or implied. And I, for one, don't think it's anything to be particularly proud of either.

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