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Gary Shepherd
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Fox, Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 29 Nov 2007 9:00 pm |
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If legs are made from microphone stands, where do I get the threaded inserts that go into the tubes so I can screw the legs into my guitar?
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Gary Shepherd
Carter D-10 & Peavey Nashville 1000
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Ron !
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Posted 29 Nov 2007 9:29 pm
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Gary why don't you buy a set of legs from Don Burrows?He makes the best and has great prices.It's not even worth the hassle for the price that Don is asking.I've seen the legs he produces and they are top notch.
Here is a link.
http://www.bsgsteelguitars.com/sslegs.htm
Hope this helps.
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Gary Shepherd
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Fox, Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 29 Nov 2007 9:35 pm
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That may seem like a good deal to you. But as a merchant, I can get a much better deal on mic stands. Then all I need is the inserts and some rubber feet. If I'm planning to get into guitar building, I don't think I'll be wanting to pay over $100 for a set of legs for each guitar I build.
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Gary Shepherd
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John Fabian
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Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 30 Nov 2007 6:06 am
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You'll have to make your own slugs on a lathe. It isn't hard. You will need a knurling tool.
If you are planning on building you may want to start researching what is entailed in building each part and subassembly vs what value you put on your time (if any). You will find some things are cheaper done by others. |
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Roger Shackelton
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Posted 30 Nov 2007 7:48 am
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| Some builders are using an insert with a 1/2-13 thread. I believe Fender's insert was a 5/8-11 thread, which is more durable. |
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Darvin Willhoite
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Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 30 Nov 2007 7:51 am
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Good advice John. I could build my own steel, but if my time is worth anything, it would probably cost me about $10,000 or more.
Being a mechanical engineer by trade, I don't build a bookshelf without drawing it first. I've rebuilt several steels, and have 3 in my shop being re-built right now. But, I never start any project without first drawing all of the parts in Autocad, to make sure everything is going to fit and work the way I want it to. I spend lots of hours doing this, but it probably saves me lots of hours of re-work though.
You've heard of the mailman that takes a walk on his day off? Well, I design construction equipment all day, then go home and re-design steel guitars half of the night.  But I enjoy it.
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Darvin Willhoite
MSA Millennium, Legend, and Studio Pro, Reese's restored Universal Direction guitar, a restored MSA Classic SS, several amps, new and old, and a Kemper Powerhead that I am really liking. Also a Zum D10, a Mullen RP, and a restored Rose S10, named the "Blue Bird". Also, I have acquired and restored the plexiglass D10 MSA Classic that was built as a demo in the early '70s. I also have a '74 lacquer P/P, with wood necks, and a showroom condition Sho-Bud Super Pro. |
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Gary Sill
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Mt. Zion, IL, USA
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Posted 30 Nov 2007 8:20 am Leg Sockets Available
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I have listed most of the time on my Ebay site: Sill Music Supply
the sockets you are describing. I have them in stock and they fit the standard 1/2 inch thread #13 leg that are prevalent on most common steel guitars.
I have in stock the finest steel guitar legs available today in looks and operation and slippage. Quantity pricing can be obtained also. These are also on my Ebay store most of the time.
I am proud to say I represent Hilton Pedals and George L Products as a dealer also.
You may give me a call at 217-433-7455 and I will ship any and all direct to you.
Gary Sill
Sill Music Supply
P. O. Box 317
445 N. State Hwy 121
Mt. Zion, IL 62549
Tel: office: 217-864-5333
Cellular: 217-433-7455 |
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 30 Nov 2007 8:27 am Making your own steel; and legs
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Darvin and John,
There comes a time in every person's life where we need not attach a dollar figure to our time's worth. Lucky for me, such a time is nowfor me, and I am happy to report that I took advantage of this new freedom by building myself a workable pedal steel.
Sure, If I was to have figured $30 an hour into the project, it would have been a no-go. But seeing as how I had the choice of doing the project, or sit on the patio, or at the computer, my choice to make a steel payed off with more personal satisfaction and sense of accomplishment than anything else could have done. Seeing how it stays in tune, and hearing the wonderful sound it makes, gives me never-ending joy.
Sure, the thing is not without faults..I jokingly tell my wife that I will have to build a second one to correct the mistakes on the first one!
Who knows, maybe some day.
Just my take on what is feasible for some, might not work for others.
As for the legs discussion with Gary...
Gary, I can't see why you wouldn't want to just buy the mic stands that you can get so cheaply. Then, with your assortment of machinist tools, you can certainly make the couple of extra parts needed to convert into legs. By the way, did you find anything useable in the photos/descriptions I sent you?
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John Fabian
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Posted 30 Nov 2007 11:36 am
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Darvin and John,
There comes a time in every person's life where we need not attach a dollar figure to our time's worth. |
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| If I'm planning to get into guitar building, I don't think I'll be wanting to pay over $100 for a set of legs for each guitar I build. |
My interpretation of Gary's comment was that he was going to build more than one or two guitars. If that is correct, you need to take your time into account. There's nothing wrong with being a hobbyist or do-it-yourselfer. It just doesn't make sense if you intend to sell the steels you build and expect to make a little change on top of it. Would you really want to build someone a steel for an hourly wage less than what people in Bangladesh get??? |
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Gary Shepherd
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Fox, Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 30 Nov 2007 1:30 pm
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It's like you said, John. This will be a hobby. I want to try to build myself a guitar just to see if I can do it. I like to challenge myself in that way. That's why I even have an interest in this instrument to begin with. It's a real challenge to get it perfect.
Bent, the photos were useful. I put them in a folder with all my other pedal steel pictures that I've been collecting over the years. Thanks.
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Gary Shepherd
Carter D-10 & Peavey Nashville 1000
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Bent Romnes
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Posted 30 Nov 2007 5:51 pm
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Quoting John:
Would you really want to build someone a steel for an hourly wage less than what people in Bangladesh get??
Like I said I do it for my self and my own enjoyment.
I never did say that I was going to build one for others and get paid for it. So your Bangladesh question is kinda beside the point
As it turns out it seems that Gary is also doing it for himself and nobody else. In that case, my legs suggestion stands
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Gary Shepherd
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Fox, Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 30 Nov 2007 9:04 pm
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I'm sure that if I ever get a first one finished (or started) that I'll want to do another and do it better. So I'll need to sell the first one but I don't plan to go into the pedal steel making business. Not that it wouldn't be fun. But I already have a full time job.
I DO plan to mill parts for folks once I get my machine shop up and running. Right now, it's all on the kitchen table. Wife and kids are not diggin' it.
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Gary Shepherd
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John Fabian
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Mesquite, Texas USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 1 Dec 2007 6:44 am
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| John Fabian wrote: |
| My interpretation of Gary's comment was that he was going to build more than one or two guitars. If that is correct, you need to take your time into account. There's nothing wrong with being a hobbyist or do-it-yourselfer. It just doesn't make sense if you intend to sell the steels you build and expect to make a little change on top of it. Would you really want to build someone a steel for an hourly wage less than what people in Bangladesh get??? |
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Quoting John:
Would you really want to build someone a steel for an hourly wage less than what people in Bangladesh get??
Like I said I do it for my self and my own enjoyment.
I never did say that I was going to build one for others and get paid for it. So your Bangladesh question is kinda beside the point |
I've bolded the qualifying part of the statement I made. It is hardly beside the point. It just doesn't apply to you or Gary given his further elucidation.
There are OTHER PEOPLE on this forum who contemplate building steels. Some of them probably would rather spend their time crafting and assemblying their own steel guitars without having to machine or form each and every single part. This doesn't make their result any lesser or better. They may have other things to do in their lives and figure the time saved can better be spent with family or doing something else they enjoy. |
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Gary Shepherd
From:
Fox, Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 1 Dec 2007 10:18 am
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Now that we have that all figured out....
I'm sure I can write the code to mill the threaded inserts. But I'd rather buy that part - depending on the price.
Come to think of it, this whole conversation seems a little pointless. If I were to build a guitar, I would probably go with a slide-in leg. It would slide into a slotted hole with clamp that tightens around the circumference of the leg. Duh!
I guess I would still need a round slug to insert to keep the leg from crushing in. I think this setup would be just as strong as the threaded variety and MUCH faster to install. Push the leg in, flip a lever. Done!
What do you think?
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Gary Shepherd
Carter D-10 & Peavey Nashville 1000
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