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Topic: Computer Sounds - All 10 Strings of E9th Pedal Steel? |
b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Ken Lang
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Simi Valley, Ca
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Posted 25 Jul 2008 6:47 pm |
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| I know I don't like the sounds. Doesn't sound like a pedal steel to me. |
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Ron !
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Posted 25 Jul 2008 6:55 pm
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Ken.........listen again.
CLICK HERE
If I can change the sound to this in 2minutes...what do you think they can do in the big studio's?
Man this is scary stuff. |
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Ken Lang
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Simi Valley, Ca
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Posted 25 Jul 2008 7:33 pm
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| Still don't think it sounds all that real. Might be OK for some background, but not at $200. Biab has a better sound. If only notes for the steel could be programmed in. |
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Carl Vilar
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New Jersey USA
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Posted 26 Jul 2008 9:18 am
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Doesn't sound good either one. I'm big into vst's but mostly use them for horns and string sections. everything else I rather record myself playing with the real instrument. reminds me of a cheesy BIAB track but that's a whole other topic.
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 27 Jul 2008 8:13 am
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I think it sounds as real as the "drums" that steel players are using on their CDs. A singer thinks of steel guitar like a steel player thinks of bass and drums: background to set the flavor of the song.
Carl, most MIDI horn and string sections sound stange to me, in the same way that this virtual steel guitar does. Horn and string sections are not tuned ET in the real world. Jazz/R&B horn sections have more complex intervals. Classical/pop string sections have smoother intervals. Like them, this virtual pedal steel suffers from ET backup syndrome.
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Carl Vilar
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New Jersey USA
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Posted 27 Jul 2008 9:27 am
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Bob I agree with you drums sound as real as the drums most steel players are using on their cd's not that I agree with what they are doing. I use a combination of say probably at least six vst's and a few synths to produce drums sounds playing them with a roland set. This gives me the ability to pick and choose all the independent drums creating my own set. So I'm not using the same old sounds over and over again use different snare's bass drums, toms and cymbals for different songs and styles.
As far as strings and horns I find that to achieve a pleasing acceptable sound I need to do a combination of different vst's and synths not one alone is going to give me what I'm looking for. And I record tenor, alto, and soprano sax myself since I also play the sax adding a real insrument to the mix of the horns makes it sound more real in the final mix.
Also when I talk about VST's I'm not talking about one that cost a couple of hundred dollars most of mine are in the range of probably 500 to 3500 dollars although I probably do own a few in the 200 to 300 range.
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Bryan Daste
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 27 Jul 2008 10:55 am
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You know, the tone leaves something to be desired, but I bet most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference. The trick is, you have to *think* like a steel player to be able to program it...and who better to think like a steel player than a steel player? Might as well just play it!
From their site:
BE WARNED: By creating a virtual instrument that gives you the power of the pedal steel guitar, we've also given you its complexity. This thing won't play the way any other keyboard instrument does. Unless you study the included tutorial files and practice using the instrument, you'll be absolutely confounded. Well, maybe not if you can already play pedal steel, but we'll assume that's not the case. It will also help if you have a good grasp of music theory, particularly in the areas of harmony and transposition.
I also like this question in the FAQ:
Q: What kind of lunatic would endeavor to play such a monstrosity? |
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 28 Jul 2008 9:10 pm
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| I noticed that it pick-blocks and palm-blocks. |
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 7:10 am
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The problem that I'm hearing in these samples is like multiple volume pedals. It sounds like each note was recorded individually, with the player's foot on the volume pedal. When you combine two notes, you're hearing two different volume envelopes. It's really strange when one note is sustaining, and you play another. The second note comes in with its own volume swell.
One thing for sure: the computer can play faster than we can. Scary!
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Bryan Daste
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 3 Aug 2008 12:41 am
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Yeah, but the faster stuff sounds phonier  |
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Jonathan Shacklock
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London, UK
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Posted 8 Aug 2008 7:44 am
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| The second note comes in with its own volume swell. |
That could be considered an evolutionary leap... 
On a slightly more serious note I'm more intrigued by the amp modelling which includes a "steel amp" and shows a picture, at least, of a Webb. I wonder if you can use it as a stand alone amp modeller. If and when the Mac version becomes available I'll certainly give the demo a go. It might even have some side benefits for the budding steel guitarist from a theory/learning perspective.
I don't think gigging steelers have anything to fear but unfortunately I can see this software, or PSG sample CD's, taking over in the soundtracks/commercials/jingles world. Probably already has. |
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Bob Martin
From:
Madison Tn
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Posted 8 Aug 2008 10:37 pm
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Hey Bob and others, that funny envelope sound you are hearing is the person programming/playing those steel parts one line/string at a time. You were correct when you said it sounded like each string was triggering a different volume envelope that was due to the player/recorder of the pieces not being savvy in playing steel.
I wasn't crazy about the sound of the steel but I believe that was mainly due to the inexperience of the programmer/player of the songs and maybe the amp sims.
In the right hands with some knowledge of how the steel guitar is actually played I think it could be made to sound very realistic. Unfortunately we wont ever get to find out because the application that those samples were created for "gigastudio" has been discontinued by Tascam. They will no longer make Gigastudio or even support it after the 1st of the year. So unless some other 3rd party company buys the code which is very unlikely or Tascam makes it an open source code even more unlikely these samples are pretty much doomed.
The samples can be converted to another format mainly Kontact but the important parts of the samples will probably not be translated with the conversion. If anyone wants more info on what wont be converted along with the samples just email me and I'll explain it gets a little deep but I don't mind explaining but most folks here don't want to hear all the tech reasons
Big Bob
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