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Topic: Getting to B&C pedals and back again |
Ron Page
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Posted 29 Nov 2007 9:30 am |
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I use the Emmons (A-B-C) pedal setup, but I suspect Day (C-B-A) setup presents the same problem in reverse.
Since my B&C pedals don't get the work that the A&B do, I'm pretty clumsy getting to them sometimes. What usually happens is I set my foot too far forward on the A&B and then when I go to move – either swivel my toe or lift and slide my foot – the toe of my shoe can contact the B pedal rod.
If I can rest my foot far enough back then I can easily swivel the to the right and work with B&C. However, I’ve found that after playing for a minute that my foot seems to have worked its way forward and the toe is rather snugly between the A&B rods.
I’m using round-toed shoes, either tennis shoes or other soft soled shoes. I’ve watched Jeff Newman videos with those slick black cowboy boots—pointed toes and all-- and I guess I need to emulate whatever he’s doing. Jeff used the Day setup.
Any tips?
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 29 Nov 2007 10:11 am
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Ron, I have the same problem. I call it a bad habit that I just have to work at to get rid of. I am making some progress. What I do is consciously pull the foot backwards.
I noticed Jeff's pointed boots also. I tried, but could never play like that. We all get into our own habits. The good ones we keep. The bad ones we have to get rid of.
The shoe I prefer is a dress shoe with a hard and thin sole. It needs to have a square front. Regular height heel. Cowboy boots' heels are too high for my liking. I have my pedals adjusted as close to the floor as possible - about a 1/4" space when pedal is depressed.
Hope this helps somehow.
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Ray Minich
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Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 29 Nov 2007 11:13 am
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Maybe steal one of them rear looking cameras from a high priced SUV and aim it at the pedal bar. Have a nice little monitor built into the deck... 
Really though, it just takes practice... and for me lots of practice. Now I'm working on finding pedals 5 & 6 whilst jumping to the C6th deck. Still gotta peek... |
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A. J. Schobert
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Cincinnati, Ohio,
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Posted 29 Nov 2007 2:14 pm
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Ron how are you!
This is what I have been told,
If you play with boots (I don't), then your pedals should be raised alot to ballance the heal.
As I said I don't play with boots but I like thin soled shoes, my A pedal and C pedal is alot higher than the B pedal, this makes it alot easier to "feel" the A and C pedal. Try to adjust the rods maybe this will help.
But above all get some songs that make you go back and forth from the C to A pedal.
Take Care
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A. J. Schobert
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Cincinnati, Ohio,
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Posted 29 Nov 2007 2:16 pm
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| BENGALS!! |
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Bill OConnor
From:
Castle Rock, Washington, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 29 Nov 2007 11:33 pm RON B-C PEDALS
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| RON I PUT THE 4TH STRING F# ONLY. ON THE VERTICAL AND HOLDING THE AB IN WITH YOUR TOES BUMP YOUR KNEE UP. IT IS FAST AND SMOOTH .YOUR A PEDAL IS COVERING THE 5TH C# AND THE B PEDAL THE G# s BUT AGAIN I HAVE 6 KNEES ON THE E9TH SO EVERY THING I WANT IS COVERED I HAVE PLAYERS MOVE THEIR RIGHT FOOT OVER THE C PEDAL ITS NOT THAT SMOOTH |
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Tim Harr
From:
Dunlap, Illinois
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Posted 30 Nov 2007 6:30 am
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I am for the raising of the A + C pedals slightly.
an analogy....
I think it is like driving a standard transmission (stick).
After driving and using it a lot.... do you really have to look down to see where the clutch is? No. It is always in the same place. So, with a lot of practice, your feet can develop the same memory movement used in finding the clutch.
any other suggestions? Good topic... |
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Drew Howard
From:
48854
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Posted 30 Nov 2007 7:27 am
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Ron Page
From:
Penn Yan, NY USA
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Posted 30 Nov 2007 7:28 am
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Good analogy, Tim. I drive a 6-speed, so I guess my C-pedal is like 3rd gear.
I too have the A and C at least slightly higher than the B.
Practice is it. I have to face up to that one. I've got some of Scotty's backup steel that has some good B&C work going on. I better revisit that. I've been working Hughey's intro on "Fifteen Years Ago" and he's got a couple of quick squeezes (B then C) in between some A/B. He's smooth as glass there, but he's John Hughey and I'm not. 
PS: AJ, my son now lives on the dark side--Pittsburgh. So we'll be on the phone a time or two Sunday evening. Go Bengals!
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Fred Glave
From:
McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 30 Nov 2007 8:26 am
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| Drew hit the nail right on the head. |
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Bill Dobkins
From:
Rolla Missouri, USA
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Posted 30 Nov 2007 8:27 am
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Ron, I put my 4th raise on my RLR and my 5th raise on my VL. I use some slip collars so I can have my C pedal if I need it. I find I don't need that much now. I like the affect of being able to seperate the 4th and 5th. There are some many combinations to use.
I'm experimenting with this but so far I like it.
If I ever become the Steeler that I want to be I may go back.
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Ron Page
From:
Penn Yan, NY USA
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Posted 30 Nov 2007 9:05 am
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Point well taken on practice. Given that only perfect practice makes perfect, here's one question on technique: Do you recommend pivoting the foot with the heal remaining in one place or lifting the foot and placing it -- like Tim's brake/clutch analogy?
I think I know the answer, as I already indicated that I can't rely on the pivot move because my foot seems to work its way up closer into the pedals-- and rods. Whereas, a definite reposition of my entire foot seems to be more repeatable. What will happen is I miss it a time or two and then go back to trying the pivot. Then I miss that ...and the tail chasing goes on.
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Hook Moore
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South Charleston,West Virginia
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Posted 30 Nov 2007 9:16 am
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A combination of all of the above glued together with repetitive practice. I pivot on my heal from 1st pedal to the 3rd but also completely move my foot to jump to pedal 4 and back. Same thing on pedals 5 through 8. It pretty much has got to be repeated until its as natural as opening your mouth as food gets close The answer is just mostly lots and lots of seat time. (IMHO)
Hook
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Ron Page
From:
Penn Yan, NY USA
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Posted 30 Nov 2007 1:27 pm
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| Hook Moore wrote: |
| ... It pretty much has got to be repeated until its as natural as opening your mouth as food gets close ... |
Now there's something I can relate to, when sober anyway.
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Don Brown, Sr.
From:
New Jersey
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Posted 1 Dec 2007 4:38 pm
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Try centering your heal more toward the B pedal, so it's lined up in front of it. Then, simply life your foot (while pivoting on your heal) over to the BC, or for that matter, to only the C, or the A, it may even make it easier when rocking off of your A pedal and staying on the B pedal, or simply when using the B pedal only, or any other combination of the three pedals.
But you'll work all of that out with enough playing. "That's where it's all at. The amount of time devoted." |
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