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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 14 Dec 2005 1:52 pm |
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Somehow I got to thinking about tuning the highest string to F, and I came up with this idea that combines an F scale with a D7th chord: 1 F
2 E
3 D
4 C
5 Bb
6 A
7 F#
8 D I haven't tried it yet, but it looks like it has a lot of potential. Has anyone here ever played a similar tuning?
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Rick Alexander
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Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 14 Dec 2005 2:14 pm
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That's pretty ingenious Bobby. I might just check that one out. I've been playing with a straight diatonic tuning -
1 E
2 D
3 C
4 B
5 A
6 G
7 F
8 E
It's the JB diatonic with the D added. It seems to have a lot of chord possibilities.
But yours looks real interesting - there's a strum and a scale. Pretty cool.[This message was edited by Rick Alexander on 14 December 2005 at 05:28 PM.] |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 14 Dec 2005 2:18 pm
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| I think Jerry didn't use a D string in his diatonic tuning because he was so far from equal tempered that there was no safe place to put the D. |
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HowardR
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N.Y.C.-Fire Island-Asheville
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Posted 14 Dec 2005 2:18 pm
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| b0b, can you lay it out in intervals? |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 14 Dec 2005 2:21 pm
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The idea is derived from this one that Bobby Black uses: 1 E
2 C
3 B
4 A
5 G
6 F
7 E
8 C# I moved it up from C to F and then got rid of the high string and added the logical low string. |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 14 Dec 2005 2:33 pm
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I believe that Earnest is correct, and that's why I didn't include the G note in this tuning.
Howard, if you look at it in terms of the keys of F and D, the notes are F root of F scale
E 7th of F scale
D 6th of F scale, root of D scale
C 5th of F scale, b7th of D scale
Bb 4th of F scale
A 3rd of F scale, 5th of D scale
F# 3rd of D scale
D root of D scale I hope that makes some kind of sense. |
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Rick Alexander
From:
Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 14 Dec 2005 2:56 pm
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and E is the 9th of D - there's a lot of chords in this tuning.
What are you going to call it? |
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HowardR
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N.Y.C.-Fire Island-Asheville
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Posted 14 Dec 2005 3:11 pm
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| Thanks bob, clearer to me now. |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 14 Dec 2005 4:32 pm
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| I'd call it "F Diatonic over D7". I'm not sure it's a good idea, though. I think Bobby Black's tuning with the high 3rd is probably more versatile. |
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 14 Dec 2005 10:24 pm
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Here's a thought for naming tunings! I want my E on my E9 neck to match the E on my C-Diatonic Neck, so; rather than call it [C]-Diatonic,, I'm going to call it A-minor (something or other!) 
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 15 Dec 2005 9:33 am
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I tried it last night and ran into a tuning problem. To get the D chord in tune, the F# note has to be really flat. Then as I was playing it I discovered that I kept wanting to use strings 5 and 7 together (a major third interval), but they were way out of tune with each other. After half an hour of encountering this corner many times, I gave up.
I've retuned to to Jerry Byrd's intervals, raised a step to D and with a low root. This is really fun to play. 1 F#
2 D
3 C#
4 B
5 A
6 G
7 F#
8 D Jerry Byrd's idea is brilliant in the way it allows skip-a-string bar slants on harmony lines with 4 adjacent string pairs: 2&4, 3&5, 4&6, 5&7. Two of the pairs (strings 2&4 and 5&7) use forward slants, and the other two (3&5 and 4&6) use reverse slants.
Whenever you are constructing a linear harmony line in thirds, you have a choice of sliding up/down or skipping up/down to the next string grip. Suddenly I understand how he did it. What a wonderfully musical concept!
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Bobby Lee (a.k.a. b0b) - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Williams D-12 E9, C6add9, Sierra Olympic S-12 (F Diatonic)
Sierra Laptop S-8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster D-8 (E13, C6 or A6) My Blog |
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Chuck Fisher
From:
Santa Cruz, California, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 15 Dec 2005 12:53 pm
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Seems really confusing, I'd want myxolydian relationship or dorian, but I think I'd do a straight E scale with a lotta strings, ...
Just my warped perspective.
CF |
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