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Topic: Current steel guitar slang or terminologies |
Ray Montee
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Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 21 Sep 2005 4:08 pm |
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Please explain in simple language so that some of your "older" player-persons can feel confident with this knowledge.
WHAT is:
"a pup"?
"One of Ric's MRI's" or whatever?
Any/all other NEW Terminologies created and established during this past one to two years. THANK YOU from an older person.
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Rick Aiello
From:
Berryville, VA USA
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Ray Montee
From:
Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 21 Sep 2005 6:03 pm
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Many Thanks, as always. I knew you'd come thro'.
I know there are some other similar "names" kickin' about here on the Forum on a daily basis. I jes' cain't think of them at this time when it is so necessary in order to continue this conversation.
Can you scratch your head and come up with a few more. GREAT PHOTO'S!! |
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Randy Reeves
From:
LaCrosse, Wisconsin, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2005 9:37 am
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Ric, whenever you post a picture of your work I am awed by the beauty of your craftsmanship.
I quit smoking to save money (well health reasons too) when my $ pile is sufficient I'll be a callin.
beautiful work.
your photography is tops too.
pup is pickup.
another Ive heard..
sick means really nice, incredible, awesome, dope, excellent, ovber the top cool. |
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Dan Sawyer
From:
Studio City, California, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2005 1:50 pm
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| Pickup is also abbreviated to p.u. |
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Rick Aiello
From:
Berryville, VA USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2005 1:57 pm
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Thanks for the kind words, Randy ... I try.
Ray ... 'bout the only other abbreviation/term I've thrown around here is NIB.
NIB = Neodymium-iron-boron ... a very powerful magnet material invented in 1982.
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Aiello's House of Gauss
My wife and I don't think alike. She donates money to the homeless and I donate money to the topless! ... R. Dangerfield
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Todd Weger
From:
Safety Harbor, FLAUSA
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Posted 22 Sep 2005 2:41 pm
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Rick -- to keep this G rated (or at least PG13), I gotta say, that pic of your guitar is about as sexy as they get. You're AMAZING, doooood. Excuse me, but I have to go make advancements to my wife now!
TJW
Oh yes, Ray -- the former protocol for the abbreviation of the word "pickup" used to be "p'up," with an apostrophe. As time has gone on, it's been further reduced to just plain old "pup." I guess it makes sense that Rick's now putting those nice PUPPIES on his Boob-Pan (that's the PG-13 part)! 
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Kris Oka
From:
San Francisco, CA, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2005 4:29 pm
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Hey fellas, "string thru" bobbin. A newbie would like to know what is a bobbin?
Rick, will the dustpans up for auction at the HSGA Joliet convention look like that? |
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Ed Altrichter
From:
Schroeder, Minnesota, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2005 5:02 pm
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| I think I saw one o' them in a movie where some people got beamed up an' probed. |
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Rick Aiello
From:
Berryville, VA USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2005 5:57 pm
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A "String Thru" bobbin ... as found in Fender Boxcars and Traps ... differs from conventional style bobbins in that there are no pole pieces.
The coil of copper wire is wound around an oblong, hollow "tube" ... then the strings pass thru the center of this tube.
The strings themselves are the only ferromagnetic material within the bobbin ...
These are incredibly sensitive units ...
Jason Lollar and I originally made "Boxcar" repros ...
But when I got his first prototype bobbin ... I knew it was something very special. Iwanted to create a magnet that was unique ... and worthy of his work ... so the Boxcar evolved into the MRI ...
It's named after the imaging machine because of its power and the uniform field it produces.
And yes ... all the steels I'm bringing to Joliet will "look" similar to the above picture ... most will have the MRI pickup ... a couple will have our "H-Shoe" pickups.
Opps ... sorry Ray ...
H-Shoe = a NIB based horseshoe magnet pickup ... with strengths that can be made up to 3X that of a Rickenbacher pickup.
The bobbin in them is Jason Lollar's "Ricky Style" ... with adjustable steel slug pole pieces.
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Aiello's House of Gauss
My wife and I don't think alike. She donates money to the homeless and I donate money to the topless! ... R. Dangerfield
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Mitch Druckman
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 22 Sep 2005 10:00 pm
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| I know that too much of a magnetic field from a pickup can cause problems on a standard 6 string electric guitar. It can cause string pulling, damping, and other anomalies when a pickup is too close to the strings. Is your MRI pickup able to use such a strong magnetic field because the bobbin design causes the string to be pulled evenly from all sides? Is the string hovering in the magnetic field? How does this strong magnetic field effect tone? Have you had to deal with this issue? I've experimented with NIB magnets and they are extremely powerful compared to ceramic or alnico. |
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Rick Aiello
From:
Berryville, VA USA
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Posted 23 Sep 2005 2:17 am
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I only mess with ATS pickups ...
Oops ... sorry Ray
ATS = Around the Strings ... ie. Horseshoes, MRI, Boxcars, Traps, Supro style.
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| Is your MRI pickup able to use such a strong magnetic field because the bobbin design causes the string to be pulled evenly from all sides? |
Well ... all our ATS pickups exploit that characteristic ...
It's not the bobbin ... with ATS pickups ... there is always a force vector pulling up on the string & and a force vector pulling down on the string.
These vectors can be equal and opposite ... therefore cancelling ... but most of the time the string is not perfectly centered in the field ... so vector addition just "eases" the pulling effects.
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| Is the string hovering in the magnetic field? |
Yes ...
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| How does this strong magnetic field effect tone? |
Greater bass response, higher clarity, greater output, and increased dynamic range.
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| Have you had to deal with this issue? |
It took many, many prototypes of each type of ATS pickup to get it right.
The bass guitar H-Shoes were the most work ... I must have sent 10 different prototypes to Jason ... before he and Mike Lull gave me the "Okie Dokie" ...
Even the little NIB Supros ... took me awhile to get right.
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| I've experimented with NIB magnets and they are extremely powerful compared to ceramic or alnico. |
NIBs are un-ruley ... and don't behave as predicted. They are very "stingy" with their lines of force ... and have to be coaxed into doing things you want them to do.
In conventional pups ... you either have to use a tiny, tiny disc if they are to be the actual pole pieces ... or used as an indirect source of flux via steel slug poles.
Some pickup makers are using Samarium Cobalt ... another "Rare Earth" magnet in conventional pickups ... as indirect sources of flux for their pickups.
Again, thats why I only mess with ATS pickups ...
I can bring the full "brunt" of the NIB's power into play ...
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Aiello's House of Gauss
My wife and I don't think alike. She donates money to the homeless and I donate money to the topless! ... R. Dangerfield
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Rick Garrett
From:
Tyler, Texas
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Posted 23 Sep 2005 2:27 am
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One that I've seen is "Gas" which means Guita Aquisition Syndrome. Thats one I have alot. 
Rick |
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 23 Sep 2005 4:44 am
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The terms PUP and GAS have been around a long time with standard guitar enthusiasts.
The G in GAS stands for GEAR.
I suspect the term PU had negative implications (especially as applied to GAS), thus the term Pick UP evolved
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Mitch Druckman
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 23 Sep 2005 7:23 am
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| Thanks Rick for answering my Q's and explaining some of the characteristics of ATS pickups. Facinating stuff. |
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Ray Montee
From:
Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 23 Sep 2005 8:29 am
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Great info' Ric........how about continuing on with this Magnetic Stuff 101:
How about some diagrams on the evolution of pup's from the early Rick FryPans and Nationals to Supro, Horseshoe, Charley Christianson, Trip, Box Car, Emmons, BLADE, Sho-Bud, etc. Note the significant changes, not just in technical language but in simpleton diagrams and the like.
Perhaps even sell it to us; but, our ever inquiring minds DO WANT TO KNOW and our individual quest for knowledge that will make us better steel guitarists is never ending.
Perhaps you could contribute one at a time so we could each gather this information without being overwhelmed. I took four years of tech-electric shop in high school and all I ever learned is that if you touch a wooden handled screw driver on your toy train track, sparks will definitely fly and more importantly, the little engine will reverse its direction of travel instantly. Of course, with a scale model two rail system, large chunks of red hot brass rail will explode into the air and onto your carpet. |
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