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Topic: Does this Emmons sound Hawaiian? |
basilh
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Posted 31 Aug 2005 2:21 am |
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Here is a little of the Symphony Hall concert with myself(Cement Fingers) at the "Helm" of a 1970 PP. Playing a little Hawaiian mixed with a Country Lick or two!!
So how would you describe the "Style"
Ignore the technical side of the playing.. I was three quarters asleep and only half awake !!
The clip may take a while to load (like 2 mins)
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Kay Das
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Posted 31 Aug 2005 5:43 am
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baz,
nice! so what speed do you do when you're fully awake?...
what was the occasion?
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basilh
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Posted 31 Aug 2005 5:56 am
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Aloha Kay..No faster, just a lot more in tune and a bit better interpretation..
I suppose rehearsing with all the other acts on the show took it's toll..and then of course there was the "Green Room" to contend with !!
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The guy introducing me is the fellow that I work with at all his gigs, I'm his record producer band leader and general factotum..!
Bob Brolly MBE.. (he's a royal appointed knight)..got the award for his work for charity.. Bob and I have worked together for the past few years.. so far this year we've raised over USD$250,000 for breast cancer research..the gig at the Birmingham Symphony Hall raised over £80,000 and a golf classic we ran in Tenerife raised £15,000...
It's great fun and very rewarding to play for good causes..
There is plenty of steel guitar playing (By Cement Fingers) at the concert as I was the MD for the occasion. I will be placing the whole video of the concert to be available
from my web site, as soon as I've finished encoding it !!
I am a survivor of the 1949 Polio epidemic.. left paralyzed down my left side and confined to an "Iron Lung" for 5 years, I can only boast of 1 year of formal education...BUT...music has been in my blood since before I was born..
I Have played steel guitar for the past 50 years and ANYTHING I can contribute to the forum is just my way of "passing it down" and helping to perpetuate the instrument we all love.
If I can EVER help anyone, just ask..I'm no "Oracle" but I am slightly knowledgeable in things related to Steel Guitar..AND
Hawaiian music.
Basil
[This message was edited by basilh on 35 August 2006 at 26:02 AM.] [This message was edited by basilh on 31 August 2005 at 07:06 AM.] |
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Gerald Ross
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Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 31 Aug 2005 7:37 am
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Basil, a couple technical questions -
Is it due to your physical condition that everything seems set up toward the right? How do you have things set up?
And is it just the camera angle, or is the body actually angled away from you by a few degrees (meaning the front is lower than the back)?
It sure dooes sound good - nice playing. |
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Bill Leff
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Posted 31 Aug 2005 7:56 am
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Sounds great Baz.
The high strings and glissandos reminded me of Billy Hew Len's playing and sound. |
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basilh
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Posted 31 Aug 2005 9:00 am
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Jim in response to your questions..
1/.The pedals and knee levers are set up biased toward the right for a mechanical reason..Shorter rods to the changer = less problems with pedal and knee-lever tuning..A shorter rod expands and contracts less..
2/.The body is tilted forward slightly as is my preference,(And others..JB.. Jules..Barney Etc), to enable the wrist and forearm to be more paralell..A definite plus if you use a lot of palm harmonics..AND pick blocking. |
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Bill McCloskey
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Posted 31 Aug 2005 10:03 am
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| Nice piece Bas. Sounded great. |
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basilh
From:
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Posted 31 Aug 2005 10:10 am
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Thanks Bill.. If I'd spent a little longer working out my part and less time figuring out the backing for the guests!...I just couldn't do that..So No excuses, just a promise that the next film clip I post will be played "Properly"..
i.e. no out of tune gliss's etc. It was just the "Natural Elevation of Music" combined with the excitement and the "Heat of the Moment" !!
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Andy Sandoval
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Bakersfield, California, USA
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Posted 31 Aug 2005 12:01 pm
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Realy nice Basilh. luv your style.
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55' Fender Stringmaster T8, 54' Fender Champion, Carter D-10, two Oahu laps, two National laps, and two Resonators
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Terry Farmer
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Posted 31 Aug 2005 12:48 pm
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Very nice, Basilh! I hope I can play that well when I grow up.
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Drew Howard
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Posted 31 Aug 2005 12:58 pm
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Sounds great!
Drew
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Drew Howard - website - Fessenden D-10 8/8, Fessenden SD-12 5/5 (Ext E9), Magnatone S-8, N400's, BOSS RV-3
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George Rout
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St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 31 Aug 2005 1:01 pm
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| Bas, it is very nifty to say the least. Thanks for sharing that with us. George in Peach Pickin' Country. |
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Kay Das
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 1 Sep 2005 5:51 am
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baz,
if it were up to me, you would get a MBE for your steel guitar playing, and for the odds you've overcome.
hope to meet up again one of these days....either in waikiki or sutton coldfield...
fantastic!
much aloha,
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Dan Sawyer
From:
Studio City, California, USA
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Posted 1 Sep 2005 10:55 am
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Thanks for sharing. It does sound Hawaiian mixed with country licks, as you say. Since you are not using much volume pedal, that is a big reason it sounds Hawaiian… but also the big, fat tone of your guitar. Very nice playing too and your glisses are still more in tune than mine!
On second listen, if anything is making it sound country, it's the piano player. |
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Don Kona Woods
From:
Hawaiian Kama'aina
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Posted 1 Sep 2005 10:32 pm
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It appears there has been little response to your question.
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So how would you describe the "Style"
Ignore the technical side of the playing..
I think that the "Style" is more country western. IMHO it is difficult to play Hawaiian style with a pedal steel and a volume control foot pedal. I have a very good friend who plays pedal and lap steel. When he plays Hawaiian songs with his pedal he sounds more country, and when he uses his lap steel he can sound very Hawaiian.
Nevertheless, I enjoyed your playing and thought that you are a great steel player.
Since I joined the Forum in December, 2004, I have enjoyed your many contributions. It has enhanced my knowledge, and so I want to say that I appreciate you.
Aloha,
Don
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basilh
From:
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Posted 2 Sep 2005 4:05 am
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Mahalo Nui Don.. I appreciate the analysis..now what does this do for you.. Sweet Leilani
Would that be more Hawaiian ? and if so, can you detect the influences ?
Baz[This message was edited by basilh on 02 September 2005 at 05:05 AM.] |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 2 Sep 2005 4:13 am
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Which of these two ?
and what guitars are they ?
Moonl ight Medley
Pua Mana-Analani E [This message was edited by basilh on 02 September 2005 at 05:14 AM.] [This message was edited by basilh on 02 September 2005 at 05:15 AM.] |
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Tim Tweedale
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Posted 2 Sep 2005 10:55 am
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Wow! Great stuff! Sorry if this has been discussed before, but are you playing a single neck in C6 tuning?
-Tim[This message was edited by Tim Tweedale on 02 September 2005 at 12:01 PM.] |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 2 Sep 2005 11:17 am
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OK Tim.. the film clip is an Emmons D-10 1970 Fatback-Cut-tail Emmons Twin Coil..with one neck taken off..Played in E9th added 6th..
the Soundfile Sweet Leilani is A Fender 1000 played in E6 C6 A6 A9 D9 and a few other tunings
Analani E etc is a 1970 Emmons D-10 played on the C6 neck George "l"' 5 switch position pickups |
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Mike Ruffin
From:
El Paso, Texas, USA
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Posted 2 Sep 2005 2:55 pm
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Baz
That is beautiful playing on all tunes. Very inspiring to a wannabe like me.
Thanks so much!
Mike
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basilh
From:
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Posted 2 Sep 2005 3:30 pm
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Thanks Mike..I'm also a "Wannabe" I Wannabe like Jules and Barney and Sol and Andy and Buddy and Rudy and Buckie and Mukul and Garney and Sammy and All of those great players of yesteryear (Buddy excepted)
Someday ....
Anyway for a little light hearted relief, here's Pat and myself messing about with a couple of tunes..I thought the tune-up section should stay !!
Carefree and the Beach. [This message was edited by basilh on 02 September 1945 at 04:31 PM.] [This message was edited by basilh on 02 September 2005 at 04:33 PM.] |
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Don Kona Woods
From:
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Posted 2 Sep 2005 4:11 pm
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Baz,
It definitely sounds more like Hawaiian style, on your first play through.
Since I have read the subsequent posts, the cat is out of the bag as to what you were playing. But I will let you know what my first impressions were as to the influence question.
On the first play through of Sweet Leilani, the influences that made it sound more Hawaiian style were:
1)The demotion of the foot pedal volume control. You could hear the string picking, nice.
2)Less reverb and more toward the normal sound
3)An older sounding guitar
4)The tuning
On your second play through using the violin effect, the foot volumne control became evident. But wow, what a creative use of the foot pedal here. I was amazed at your creative talent here. It was the best on a foot volume control for the violin effect that I have heard. It still does not sound quite like the violin effect used with the volume control knob on the steel guitar. The second play through did not fully bring me to say yeh, that is the Hawaiian style.
All comments are not ever intended as criticism, because you are a fantastic player regardless of styling questions.
Since I just got on the net and must get to a meeting, I will respond to your second question to me by tomorrow if possible.
Thanks Baz for the opportunity to have this discussion. This will hopefully be thought provoking for the SGF'ers to tune in.
Aloha,
Don[This message was edited by Don Kona Woods on 02 September 2005 at 11:15 PM.] |
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Tim Tweedale
From:
Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Posted 2 Sep 2005 4:55 pm
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E9 add 6, eh? So... what's your tuning and copedant?
-Tim |
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James Quackenbush
From:
Pomona, New York, USA
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Posted 2 Sep 2005 5:27 pm
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Baz,
You sounded great !!.....I like your style ..
I would have to call it more toward Country , with a couple of Hawaiian lick's thrown in for good measure ....Jim |
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