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Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 13 Oct 2009 6:58 am |
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I just had an idea...
Palm pedals have been put on dobros before...it's a very simple changer design, but it works. The problem is that using the palm pedals interferes with the right hand technique.
There have also been pedal steels designed to sit on your lap, with something like bicycle brake cables attaching the changer to floor pedals. I know Linkon made an S-10 that worked like this.
Couldn't these two concepts be combined? Somehow, the brake cables could attach to the palm pedal changer. There's a lot that could be done with just the A and B pedals, and 6 strings. Would this work? Has it been attempted before?
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Earnest Bovine
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Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 13 Oct 2009 8:05 am
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| Dave Borisoff told me that he tried a lot of these things 30 years ago, but there was too much cabinet drop in the acoustic resonator guitars. So he reinforced the guitars but by the time he got them strong enough, they didn't sound like resonator guitars anymore. I guess this is because there has to be some flexibility in the cone if you want the reso sound. |
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Charles Davidson
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Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 13 Oct 2009 12:39 pm
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Years ago MSA had a cable pedal board for sixstring. Phil Baugh used one. And really knew how to use it.Remember hearing him do The Shadow Of Your Smile with it.Wonderfull.Maybe someone has a clip of it they could post. YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.
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David Griffin
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Jimmy Creek,Arkansas via Cowtown, USA
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Posted 13 Oct 2009 6:05 pm
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Ryan: Here's some pics of my"Pedalcaster". I installed 3 fingers from an old Maverick PSG in a PV tele copy. I used lawn mower throttle cables attached to floor pedals. Works like a charm! I say go for it! Whatcha got to lose?
 Here's how they attach to the pedals.This was the most difficult part of building the Pedalcaster.Good Luck!>>>dg
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Ryan Barwin
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 14 Oct 2009 4:53 am
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That's awesome, David. What tuning do you use on the Pedalcaster?
Do you have a recording or anything?
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D Schubert
From:
Columbia, MO, USA
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Posted 14 Oct 2009 5:12 am
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Many years ago, I took a Hipshot tailpiece off my Telecaster (the B bender, not the Trilogy) and mounted it on a metal-bodied Dobro. It worked okay in a round-neck fretted-guitar mode, but I was using string gages that were too big to get the most use out of it.
I also tried it in a lap-style mode. Mechanically it was okay -- working like a RKR -- but I didn't know enough about tunings at the time, so I didn't get anywhere with it that way, either. I don't remember bad tuning issues with that bender, but maybe I was not as picky in those days.
I also tried a Hipshot Trilogy tailpiece more recently, and it was not satisfactory for a Dobro because of the body/cone flexing and tuning/retuning issues. |
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David Griffin
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Jimmy Creek,Arkansas via Cowtown, USA
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Posted 14 Oct 2009 7:49 am
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Ryan: I tune & play it just like a regular guitar,but I think the basic principal would work w/ a dobro.You would have to figure out a way to tranfer the pull of the cables to the "down" push of the palm pedals.Also,friction @ the bridge & nut would be a problem,I'm sure. I used a graphlon(sp?) nut & bridge pcs. on the Pedalcaster to get around that.I have a tune on my player on my MS music pg(link below)called "Tha Bends" that I played the pedalcaster on.Keep us posted on your progress,OK?Thanx>>>dg
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Pete Honychurch
From:
British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 14 Oct 2009 11:31 am
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years ago I had a Palm Pedal on my dobro and it was cool except for the fact that there was mechanical noise generated every time you engaged the pedals. It makes a clunk noise which is heard (metal on metal). I tried using rubber and wood in the stops but eventually put the pedals back on the electric gtr (and lap steel) where they belong.
As far as the Palm Pedal getting in the way of right hand technique, I shortened the inner pedal to take it out of the pathway of my technique, but still accessable. I would highly recommend this for anyone wanting to use Palm Pedals. |
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Dennis Brown
From:
Gowen, Mi. USA
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Posted 15 Oct 2009 5:02 pm pedals
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Heres one I made with lexan pedals, cable and a designed bridge mount that used the guitars bridge holes. (no guitar damage) This was in the mid 80's on a G&L guitar. It worked great, totaly tunable and was as fast as you could play it. It was a thirty dollar investment and fun to build. Dennis
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Ryan Barwin
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 16 Oct 2009 8:23 am
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That's really cool. Got any recordings of it?
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Dennis Brown
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Gowen, Mi. USA
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Posted 16 Oct 2009 10:57 am No recordings
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| Sorry Ryan, that was in the 1980's some twenty years ago. But what I used might help in your pedaling adventure. Dennis |
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Alan Brookes
From:
Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 17 Oct 2009 10:32 am
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| I've been thinking along the lines of automobile brake cables to put regular pedals onto a MultiKord, to avoid the left-facing position. |
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David Mason
From:
Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 13 Apr 2014 9:04 am
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I suspect that if you drew a Venn diagram with the subsets:
a) Tinkerers
b) Steel guitarists
c) Ten speed bicycle owners
the tinkerers and steel guitarists would overlap; the tinkerers and racing bike owners would overlap; and there'd be just about zilch overlap between the bikies and the steelies. Because just about everything you need to do cable steel guitars could be found in a well-stocked bicycle shop. |
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 13 Apr 2014 10:40 am
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| Charles Davidson wrote: |
| Years ago MSA had a cable pedal board for sixstring. Phil Baugh used one. And really knew how to use it.Remember hearing him do The Shadow Of Your Smile with it.Wonderfull.Maybe someone has a clip of it they could post. YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC. |
There's this one. It's different from the performance on the Nashville Superpickers album, but just as good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX6J0mgX4bc
And there's this promo video Maurice Anderson made for the MSA Pedal Pitch, with demos by a couple of players (not Phil):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbUR6wI5w8s&feature=related |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 13 Apr 2014 11:15 am
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david...finally someone mentions the 10 speed connection.
i have been fascinated with 10 spds, deraileurs, bike mechanics and riding since growing up in berkeley, ca in the 50's. always intrigued me. still does. i've always felt that steel mechanics and bike mechanics fall into the same genre. i love the cool machined alloy parts and design and function. a definite connection for me. |
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Ken Campbell
From:
Ferndale, Montana
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Posted 13 Apr 2014 1:00 pm
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| Campagnolo! |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 13 Apr 2014 1:24 pm
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| new italian pedal steel!!! |
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richard burton
From:
Britain
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Posted 13 Apr 2014 1:39 pm
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Gina Lollobrigida !!
ooh, sorry, wrong forum  |
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