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Topic: Changer question |
Randal Smith
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Nashville, TN, USA
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Posted 15 Jun 2007 8:44 pm |
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Is there any particular reason not to put the changer on the left end of the guitar? I'm thinking about a design that would incorporate a keyless tuner, possibly raising on one end and lowering on the other. One of my design possibilities would be simplified if the changer was to the left. On a single neck, this would also shorten the pull rods, at least for the pedals. I haven't really had a chance to put any ideas down on paper. For the moment, they're all stuck in what little brain I have left. Hopefully, I'll get around to drawing them out in the next couple of days.
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Randal Smith alias Smitty the Kid
Nashville, TN
Simmons SD10
Warmoth Custom Guitar
Gibson GA-20 Amp
"We have enough youth, how about a Fountain of Smart?" |
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Duane Reese
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Posted 15 Jun 2007 9:57 pm
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I've wondered the same thing Randall, what it would be like you had the changer on the left. I guess it could be done, but it'd probably have varying degrees of success, depending on where your pedals are. If they were closer to the middle, it'd be better than over where they usually are on the left (E9th A, B and C) because really short rods might prove cumbersome when you consider multi-position pullers - the tuning nuts would look like crooked teeth.
One of the first pedal steels I was able to get up-close and personal with was a Gibson Multiharp, that had 3 necks (two outside necks were fixed and the middle was pedal) and 5 pedals, and it had quite a different type of changer that we're probably used to.
You know that Jackson steel does something like you are talking about, with the raising on one end and lowering on the other.
Good luck! Definitely a worthy pursuit. |
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Billy Carr
From:
Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)
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Posted 15 Jun 2007 11:20 pm changer
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| I think there's models already built with a changer like this unless I'm mistaken, which is possible. |
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Danny James
From:
Summerfield Florida USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2007 5:59 am changer on left end
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Multi-Kord, the first patented pedal steel guitar had the changer on the left end.  |
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Jim Palenscar
From:
Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 17 Jun 2007 8:24 am
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| There have been models that raise on one end and lower on the other in the past and presently. Ed Packard has designed "The Beast" with the tuners incorporated in the changer and at lest one other manufacturer of high end pedal steels is currently working on just such a model with the changer and tuners all on the left end of the guitar. |
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 17 Jun 2007 12:14 pm
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| One problem with a changer on the left would be the loss of the ability to gauge the nut rollers. This is not so important on a 10-string E9, but becomes important for C6 or uni, which have a very large bottom string. C6 players don't seem to complain about this, possibly because they don't use the first fret much (C#6, F#9, Bbm). But on uni the first fret is used alot (F and F9, Bb, C6, Cm, Gm, and others), and many uni players wont have a guitar without gauged nut rollers. It might be possible to incorporate different heights for the changer fingers, but it would be an added complication. |
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Jim Palenscar
From:
Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 17 Jun 2007 4:48 pm
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| Putting the changer behind a roller nut would solve that problem. |
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Randal Smith
From:
Nashville, TN, USA
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Posted 17 Jun 2007 5:23 pm
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One idea I had was to do away with the roller nut altogether. Raise changer at one end, lower changer at the other. Single finger, similar to a GFI student model, at each end. At the raise end, the finger would butt against the endplate. A pull rod runs through the finger to tune the raise. At the lower end, the rod runs through the finger to tune the string. Tension is lowered by the release of the pedal (or knee lever) until it hits against a screw in the endplate, similar to a Maverick. Nothing complicated.
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Randal Smith alias Smitty the Kid
Nashville, TN
Simmons SD10
Warmoth Custom Guitar
Gibson GA-20 Amp
"We have enough youth, how about a Fountain of Smart?" |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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