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MUSICO
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Jeremy Williams in Spain
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Posted 17 Jul 2005 12:00 pm |
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Reece´s tuning (that others are catching onto) is basically a 12 string C6.....sort of like a U12 with the lever lock on.
My U12 with lock on (or lever engaged) gives me
c face gace agd (actually down a semitone cos its E9/B6)
Reece´s is
D face gace gBd
Two differences.....bottom C raised to D....Reece explained this on another thread and I have tried it and it opens rich harmonic possibilities.
The other difference is
the order of the top three strings, and more importantly a B pitched between the 5th and 6th strings. That B along with the D gives the scale GABCDE, very harplike.
Here´s my question for Reece and the others that are now using this tuning and also play 12 string PSG. ¿Isnt it a problem having one tuning on your non pedal C6.....and a different one on your Pedal steel? ¿Is that "B" usefull enough to warrant the extra learning? I like to learn things on non pedal that I can also apply to my pedal playing. ¿Has anyone found it usefull enough to incorporate it in their 12 string PSG?
Jeremy Williams
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J D Sauser
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Wellington, Florida
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Posted 17 Jul 2005 4:52 pm
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| ¿Isn't it a problem having one tuning on your non pedal C6.....and a different one on your Pedal steel? |
No.
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| ¿Is that "B" usefull enough to warrant the extra learning? I like to learn things on non pedal that I can also apply to my pedal playing. ¿Has anyone found it usefull enough to incorporate it in their 12 string PSG? |
Yes & yes. You do have it on the E9th side of your Universal pedal guitar. This may also explain my "no" above.
And these things (¿) my friend, prove that you have spend too much time in Spain 
... J-D. |
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MUSICO
From:
Jeremy Williams in Spain
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Posted 18 Jul 2005 12:03 am
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¿I have spend too much time in Spain?
Spelling "spenT" with a D shows you have spent too little time in the U S of A my Swiss friend.
Great to hear from you.
So I have that B. Actually only on a half pedal on LKV..cos you are talking about dropping B to Bb on the 5th string ¿right? and I drop both Bs to A. Well I suppose C6 side pedal 7 raises the 6th string a tone.
But we are talking non pedal. I love the fluency of not touching a pedal. Everything comes from the hands. Even when playing with pedals it all comes out different and I can imagine myself in a situation where I need PSG AND non pedal but can only take one......obviously i must take the PSG and play it without pedals for the non pedal stuff. ¿Wouldn´t that be a case for having learnt to play non pedal with the same tuning as my pedal steel open tuning?
I am definitely going to try changing one string on my PSG to see what that B at the pitch between the 5th and 6th string does for me. But maybe I should learn to take adventage of the high A that it would replace. Lot of nice options there too.
We must get together and argue all this out (and learn some Django) I now have an attic with a 50 square metre terrace with a sea and mountain view....and in August I am hardly doing any gigs. You are welcome to get the Euromed train and spend a few days. ¿Price? Teaching me to break down a PSG....and letting me try one of your frying pan ricks. :-)
Jeremy Williams
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HowardR
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N.Y.C.-Fire Island-Asheville
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Posted 18 Jul 2005 7:23 am
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| and learn some Django |
I'll be right there.....!!!!  |
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MUSICO
From:
Jeremy Williams in Spain
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Posted 18 Jul 2005 3:14 pm
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JD.
Your "YES" as an answer to "¿is the different tuning worth it?" was so emphatic that I sat down and retuned my universal to C FACE GACE GBD.
You are right. It´s wonderfull.
Howard,
You´d be welcome. I´ve got hold of some wonderful note for note trancriptions of Django solos in Tabledit format. Some even have the solos from different versions of the same song strung together.
Jeremy Williams
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 18 Jul 2005 11:47 pm
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I haven't played on that C6 tuning, however; just l©©king at the first 3 strings I think I see the standard E to A (G to C) pedal~change by slanting forward (2)-frets. Is this correct? Like the original (1)-pedal change. [G-b-d to G-c-e] = B–D–G to C–E–G or the pedal~change [G#]–[B]–E to [A]–[C#]–E. ???? Well, there’s Lesson–One for you! N/C
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Reece Anderson
From:
Keller Texas USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Jul 2005 4:04 am
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Musico....Thank you for your question. The 2nd string (B note) is critical to me. Not only does it provide a root position major 7th, when played with strings 3 , 4 and 5, it becomes the 3rd interval of a dominant 5 chord also at the root position.
In addition when playing strings 2 ,3 and 4 those notes become the relative 3 minor. When strummed across strings 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5, it provides a major 7th add 9. |
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Bill McCloskey
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Posted 19 Jul 2005 11:40 am
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I have to tell you that I'm really digging into this tuning. The only thing I'm missing on it is a 4 note dominant 7th chord (Reece?). I plan on dedicating a lot of my free practice time learning this tuning, the grips, and scales.
What I would really love is full tutorial on this tuning. I'm working out all the chords on spreadsheets, and will be happy to make it available when I'm done. I'm planning on flying down to Texas sometime late august to take some lessons with Reece on this tuning. It is a monster tuning.[This message was edited by Bill McCloskey on 19 July 2005 at 12:41 PM.] |
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Kyle Bennett
From:
Dallas, TX USA
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Posted 19 Jul 2005 2:30 pm
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| Bill- I thought you were coming to Texas for your free hat.. |
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Bill McCloskey
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Posted 19 Jul 2005 4:06 pm
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I am Kyle. Late August.
now that I have my inserts... 
Now, get back to work on my Double 8!! |
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HowardR
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N.Y.C.-Fire Island-Asheville
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Posted 19 Jul 2005 4:48 pm
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| I'm missing on it is a 4 note dominant 7th chord |
Choke the 5th string (behind the bar)up 1/2 tone for a dom7...strings 3, 4, 5, & 6.
Choke the 4th string up 1/2 tone for a dom7.....strings 1, 2, 3, & 4.
On the open strings, you're on your own! |
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Bill McCloskey
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Posted 19 Jul 2005 5:39 pm
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Your the man, howard,
And while i was on vacation, I realized I owed you a huge apology. I send a private email and reschedule. Now I owe you at least 2 drinks. |
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HowardR
From:
N.Y.C.-Fire Island-Asheville
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Posted 19 Jul 2005 7:00 pm
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| Well, I'm good for it.... |
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