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Topic: Champion ended over $1000!!!, chapter 2 |
Ron Victoria
From:
New Jersey, USA
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Posted 5 May 2007 6:34 am |
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Auction on eBay.
Why on earth would someone bid that high for a Champion? The auction has over 3 days to go. I've seen so many whacky things on ebay.
Ron
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Alan Kirk
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Scotia, CA, USA
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Posted 5 May 2007 6:51 am
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I believe some of them have gone for more than that.
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Bill Hatcher
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Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 5 May 2007 7:19 am
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VERY nice condition. That adds a big premium to vintage instruments. That is the condition that collectors who usually buy for display/investment reasons will pay for. Not far fetched to double or triple the going price.
Think like a collector NOT a player! |
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Gary Lynch
From:
Creston, California, USA
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Posted 5 May 2007 8:47 am
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| I sold mine for $650. Most need a pickup rewind I found. They seem to be weak. |
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Robert Szpuk
From:
California, USA
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Posted 5 May 2007 12:04 pm champ
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| it seems to indicate a lap steel stand, probably a gamble but with considerable value added to package. i use mine with a lollar most of all. regards |
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Doug Beaumier
From:
Northampton, MA
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Ron Victoria
From:
New Jersey, USA
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Posted 5 May 2007 12:33 pm
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I had several over the years I bought and sold. Now I could kick myself for letting them go.
Ron |
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Doug Beaumier
From:
Northampton, MA
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 6 May 2007 7:42 am I did it too, DB
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Doug, let me in the club. In 1967, I needed a steel amp and Red Rhodes told me there was a nice Twin Reverb at a local music store. So I swapped my 56 Strat, which I had purchased at the store for $160, back to the store... and threw in another $125  , for the Twin Reverb.
Back then, a 56 Strat was simply an old guitar. Like your Telecaster.
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Doug Beaumier
From:
Northampton, MA
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William Clark
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Posted 6 May 2007 1:39 pm
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| I sold my 100% original Champion a few years back for $350. I was doing cartwheels at the time because I really didn't play steel guitar at the time. Now that I am playing steel I decided I wanted one and had to pony up $700 at the Dallas guitar show. I had several people following me around after I bought it trying to buy it from me. Unfortunately, there are a lot of useable parts on those early Champions that probably make them more valuable parted out. I also found out after I got it home that the speed knobs had been changed. Ouch! I am still glad that I got it however. It is a great sounding steel! |
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Ron Victoria
From:
New Jersey, USA
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Posted 8 May 2007 9:46 am
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It's over $900 and not over. I realize Fenders have appreciated, but this is just insane.
Ron |
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Craig Stenseth
From:
Naperville, Illinois, USA
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Posted 8 May 2007 12:18 pm
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What did they cost new? I found a site that shows prices indexed to inflation, it looks like $910 now is about $125 in 1955 dollars.
That stuff's crazy when I am bidding, but not when I'm selling. |
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Bill Creller
From:
Saginaw, Michigan, USA (deceased)
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Posted 8 May 2007 2:30 pm
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I borrowed a Champ from Bobby Ingano when I was in Waikiki some years back. I had it for two weeks, but wasn't impressed with the sound. Maybe I'm spoiled from using bakelites and frypans.
Then again maybe it's the type of music you use it for. (?)
Regards BILL |
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Harry Sheppard
From:
Kalispell, MT USA
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Posted 8 May 2007 3:44 pm
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| This guitar will never be played again. Look at the the added information on May 4 with the picture of the pots and pickup people have requested. This guitar will be stripped of it's pickup, electronics, output jack and knobs as have countless others on Ebay and sold as parts to refurbish Teles. I have seen these pots go for over $200.00 each and the knobs for over $100. each on Ebay. A matched set of pots and knobs would easily sell for well over $750.00 alone (probably a lot more depending on the year), a hundred or more for the output jack and cup and who knows what that pickup would bring. Easily worth the $900+ for the guitar with a nice profit on the other end. We will then see this guitar back on ebay or in a store with all replaced parts as a "Refurbished" guitar for $300.00. The hidden bidders option now on Ebay make this very easy for vintage dealers to do as nobody knows who is bidding on it. Name one person that would actually play this guitar who would pay over $900.00 for it???? |
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William Clark
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Posted 8 May 2007 8:50 pm
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| Watching where this one is winding up, I guess I shouldn't complain about having the knobs changed on the one I bought a couple of weeks ago. Maybe I can find a cheap Broadcaster or Blackguard Tele that I can rob the speed knobs off of! |
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Ron Victoria
From:
New Jersey, USA
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Posted 9 May 2007 10:09 am
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Out of curiosity, I contacted the buyer to ask. He said he needs some parts. After swapping he will resell it. It went to Denmark.
Ron |
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Rick Alexander
From:
Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 9 May 2007 10:27 am
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I paid $50 for my Champion, but that was 30 years ago.
I would never sell it for any price - it was my first lap steel. I bought it the same day I bought my 47 Dual 8 Pro (for $75). I got them at a vintage guitar shop in Miami. I remember the guy's exact words - he said: "Get these crappy things out of my store!"
RA
BIG STEEL |
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Mark Eaton
From:
Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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Posted 9 May 2007 10:29 am
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And the shipping to Denmark will add at least what - $200?
Probably the biggest evil of ebay is that someone pays X amount of dollars for something in "winning" the item, and folks often think that is the new pricing standard for similar items in the future.
A couple of years ago, I joined in the bidding on a slightly used, just like new, Boss tuner pedal, one of those white jobs with the orange graphics.
I dropped out at one point, becuase they had them on sale for if memory serves, $59 at Musician's Friend.
The so-called "winner" ended up paying $81. If the person had even the slightest inclination to "google" the thing, they could have saved $22 and gotten one brand new in the box from Musician's Friend!
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 9 May 2007 12:32 pm
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As Michael Johnstone once very wisely observed, if you win an auction, it's because you were willing to pay more than anybody else.
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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Ron Victoria
From:
New Jersey, USA
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Posted 24 May 2007 11:09 am
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I had some contact with the seller during the auction. Now he emailed me saying the buyer states the pots aren't original and wants a refund. Maybe he switched them and wants a windfall profit. Tough situation. What would you do?
Ron |
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Jason Dumont
From:
Bristol, Connecticut, USA
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Posted 24 May 2007 11:38 am
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After looking at the auction it seems the seller made clear his lack of knowledge as well as furnished pics of the pots. If it was such a matter of importance for the buyer he could have easily requested super close up pics or whatever to ensure he was indeed getting what he wanted.
To me the buyer sounds fishy I would tell him so sorry but I wouldn't give a refund. |
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Gary Lynch
From:
Creston, California, USA
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Posted 24 May 2007 11:56 am
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I agree. The buyer should have requested the information concerning the pots. It's a real mess if the seller has no idea if they were or were not original. If a seller is a novice, it's up to the buyer to ask the questions. The legal issue is another story. It could go to arbitration. If eBay decides a refund is due, you have to refund. If you do not, they actually take the money right out of your PayPal account (which is your personal bank account if you do not have a balance in PayPal.)
I'd refund and sell it again. Who wants the hassle of bad feedback and eBay possibly getting involved.
Let me know how this turns out. |
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Alan Kirk
From:
Scotia, CA, USA
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Posted 24 May 2007 12:17 pm
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| Mark Eaton wrote: |
| Probably the biggest evil of ebay is that someone pays X amount of dollars for something in "winning" the item, and folks often think that is the new pricing standard for similar items in the future. |
eBay is an accurate reflection of the global market. Whatever people are willing to pay is, in reality, what an item is worth. Longing for the good old days of lower prices is simply not being able to accept reality. 
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