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Topic: Is Remington still in business? |
Curt Langston
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Posted 5 May 2007 4:19 pm |
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Does anyone know if Remington has shut down production? A buddy of mine has had a guitar on order, and paid over 3/4 of the price up front. Seems he gave a 1000.00 deposit on the first of Feburary 2006, and another 500.00 in May of 2006, yet he has not received his guitar as promised. This does not seem to be the norm for Remington guitars, so I thought I would ask.
He was told by Herb et al. that "it is on its way".........Problem with the case maker?...........
Does anyone know why there would be such a delay on a non-pedal guitar?
Any input would be great, as this seems to be out of the norm! |
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Jude Reinhardt
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Posted 6 May 2007 4:57 am
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I bought his Fun Tab 1 set of tabs from him a few weeks ago. Very quick response to my emails.
Jude
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Gary Lynch
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Creston, California, USA
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Posted 6 May 2007 5:34 am
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| A phone call to Herb would answer that I would expect. What was the projected finish date when he ordered the guitar? |
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Mark White
From:
Michigan, USA
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Posted 6 May 2007 6:49 am
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Woah!  Over a year seems a tad long to wait. |
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Rick Alexander
From:
Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 6 May 2007 8:03 am
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Curt, what is your friend's name?
This whole thing sounds fishy to me, like some kind of shady attempt to malign and discredit Herb Remington.
If this were really true, all your friend would have to do is call Herb and inquire about it.
His phone number is posted on his web site - but just to make it easy for you, it's 713 923-8435.
I just got off the phone with Herb and he doesn't know anything about it. He is understandably very upset about this. He has never taken over a year to deliver a guitar, the longest is about 8 months - and that was due to delays with the custom finish.
Starting this topic on a public forum about a nameless friend who claims to have been stiffed is very irresponsible and mean-spirited.
Herb has an excellent reputation and would never do something like that.
Herb is not computer oriented at all so he can't respond directly to this.
But he's a close friend of mine and I'm ready to take his part.
Please tell us your friend's name so this can be cleared up. |
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Al Collinsworth
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Posted 6 May 2007 10:06 am Is Remmington still in business?
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| I agree with Rick. And 8 months isn't bad. I bought a T8 from Herb and it took a little longer, but then Katrina and Rita got in the way and caused a delay. Herb is an honorable person. I'm sure that if he had to whittle the guitar with a pocket knife, the guitar would be finished and delivered. |
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Dale McIntyre
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 6 May 2007 10:52 am
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In 2003 Herb had Bobby Bowman build a
5x8 D-10 for me,and it was done in a few month's Don't remember,exactly.BUT Herb Remington couldn't do enough to please me and that is the TRUTH. So you better Call Herb,because this has to be a mistake, and it would not be on Herb Remington.
He is a God Fearing GOOD Christan Man.
Give Herb A Call.He is not a Computer Person. Dale McIntyre.....Rossiter Pennsylvania |
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Jeff Strouse
From:
Jacksonville, Florida, USA
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Posted 6 May 2007 12:09 pm
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Herb built two guitars for me, a T-8 and an S-10. Both were made in a very reasonable time frame, and Herb kept in contact with me throughout the process. And he was always glad to take the time to answer any questions I had concerning the guitars, music, and 'steel guitar' in general...whenever I called him. If he wasn't there at the time, I left a message and he called me right back when he returned.
Curt, who is this 'friend' of yours, and why doesn't he post the question himself? What proof does he have that he sent Herb these funds? This story sounds very fishy to me as well, on several counts. First, Herb is just not that kind of person. Second, your 'friend' is not trying very hard to contact Herb, as he always answers his calls. Thirdly, 3/4 deposit up front is not typical...1/2 or less at the time of order, and balance upon shipment is the norm. Finally, it doesn't take over a year to get the guitar built.
Either your 'friend' must be confusing Herb with another builder, or he's just trying to slander him based on false information. How 'honorable' is this 'friend' of yours? Please verify and post it here to correct and clear everything up. Herb makes one of the finest steel guitars ever made, and is a total gentleman in the highest degree. I don't want someone to get the wrong impression of him based on a bogus story. |
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Terry VunCannon
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Greensboro, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 6 May 2007 1:35 pm
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| Hello...Curt...are you out there...a good man's rep is on the line here!!!!!!!!!! |
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John Lang
From:
Las Vegas, Nevada
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Posted 6 May 2007 2:41 pm
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It is sad that something like this thread even has to be addressed by the steel guitar community at large, in the name of maintaining free speech. Obviously, this is someone's sick idea of a bad joke at best, or outright slander at worst.
I understand that the integrety of the Forum must be maintained at any cost, and that everyone's opinions are of equal value. But when something as blatently ridiculous at this shows up now and then, there should be some means to flag posts like these for deletion, if for no other reason than to protect the reputation of a good and honerable person like Herb.
Whoever "Curt" is should be ashamed of himself. |
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Gary Boyett
From:
Colorado
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Posted 6 May 2007 3:04 pm
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There is something very funny about this. Does your friend own a telephone? Does he know how to use it? Herb is a great guy and I believe him!
We need Curt's side of the story here.
Curt has been a forum member for a long time. (longer than me) This must be a mis-understanding or the wrong builder. Maybe it was Shecky Remington, from Chicago... |
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Steinar Gregertsen
From:
Arendal, Norway, R.I.P.
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Posted 6 May 2007 3:20 pm
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Curt, it's been more than 24 hours since you posted, you can't just leave this one hanging in the air - you owe it to Herb Remington to either come up with solid info or see to that this thread is deleted asap.
Steinar
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Curt Langston
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Posted 6 May 2007 4:14 pm
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This whole thing sounds fishy to me, like some kind of shady attempt to malign and discredit Herb Remington.
If this were really true, all your friend would have to do is call Herb and inquire about it.
His phone number is posted on his web site - but just to make it easy for you, it's 713 923-8435. |
Well, he HAS called several times. Each time was a different story. And why would anyone want to discredit Herb? That does not make any sense.
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Herb is not computer oriented at all so he can't respond directly to this.
But he's a close friend of mine and I'm ready to take his part.
Please tell us your friend's name so this can be cleared up. |
He can be reached at 918-424-2798
My friend does not have a computer either, but he does have a phone. He welcomes all calls. When he told me how long it has been, and that he was getting the run-around, I thought I would ask. Don't get hacked at me for asking a question..........
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| Starting this topic on a public forum about a nameless friend who claims to have been stiffed is very irresponsible and mean-spirited. |
Now hold up a minute there, Rick. This is not meant to be anything like that. It is a simple question, and I resent the implication that I am trying to start trouble.
I know herb has been around a long time, and has made some fine steels. I just wondered if he was still in business, because the guitar was promised long ago. Other than that I have no dog in this.
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| Whoever "Curt" is should be ashamed of himself. |
Well, John Lang, I have been a member a lot longer than you, so I would retract your uneducated response if I were you. I have no reason to be ashamed of anything.
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John Kalament
From:
South Carolina
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Posted 6 May 2007 4:42 pm Herb Remington
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I must admit I do not know Herb Remington personally but I do know the he is and has always been a very respected Steel Player and Steel manufacturer. He has come a long way and has aquired many friendships over the years. It's a shame for someone to try to compromise Herb's integrity without even offering some kind of explanation of what had transpired. Personally I think Curt Langston should never have got involved with this and I think it was in very poor taste to post this on the Forum.
I think Curt Langston owes Herb a big apology for getting involved as well as posting this on the Forum. Let's keep the Forum open to helping each other out rather than trying to discredit someone.
Now for Rick Alexander ,
I met Rick about three years ago while on a Vacation in Florida. I called him up out of the Blue and asked if I could stop in and visit his studio. He couldn't have been nicer to me and immediately gave me directions to his home. When I got there we chatted for about an hour and then he played a few numbers on the Steel for me. What a Musician ! He's great !!! He treated me like he had known me for twenty years. Needless to say I had a great time and will plan another visit next time I'm in FL.
I know Rick and Herb are very good friends and any friend of Rick's would certainly be a friend of mine.
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Bill McCloskey
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Posted 6 May 2007 4:44 pm
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Personally I'm not sure why the length someone has or has not been on this forum has any bearing on anything.
Herb Remington is a legend and has been around longer than any of us. Rick says Herb knows nothing about it. That is good enough for me. |
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John Kalament
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Posted 6 May 2007 4:46 pm Is Herb Remington Still in Business
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I must admit I do not know Herb Remington personally but I do know the he is and has always been a very respected Steel Player and Steel manufacturer. He has come a long way and has aquired many friendships over the years. It's a shame for someone to try to compromise Herb's integrity without even offering some kind of explanation of what had transpired. Personally I think Curt Langston should never have got involved with this and I think it was in very poor taste to post this on the Forum.
I think Curt Langston owes Herb a big apology for getting involved as well as posting this on the Forum. Let's keep the Forum open to helping each other out rather than trying to discredit someone.
Now for Rick Alexander ,
I met Rick about three years ago while on a Vacation in Florida. I called him up out of the Blue and asked if I could stop in and visit his studio. He couldn't have been nicer to me and immediately gave me directions to his home. When I got there we chatted for about an hour and then he played a few numbers on the Steel for me. What a Musician ! He's great !!! He treated me like he had known me for twenty years. Needless to say I had a great time and will plan another visit next time I'm in FL.
I know Rick and Herb are very good friends and any friend of Rick's would certainly be a friend of mine.
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Steinar Gregertsen
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Arendal, Norway, R.I.P.
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Posted 6 May 2007 4:59 pm
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Well, before everything explodes here and we get all tangled up in "my friends are better than your friends" kind of stuff, I think it may be wise to step back and take a deep breath.
Nobody needs to be lying or anything like that here, I'm sure it's a matter of misunderstandings and/or bad communication.
* Has anybody tried to call Curt's friend on the number Curt provided in his post?
* Curt, I assume your friend has receipts from these transactions, is there a way he can provide you with copies since he's not on the internet?
* How about Curt calling Herb on behalf of his friend, and Rick calling Curt's friend on behalf of Herb?
Steinar
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Rick Alexander
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Posted 6 May 2007 5:07 pm
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| When he told me how long it has been, and that he was getting the run-around, I thought I would ask. Don't get hacked at me for asking a question.......... |
Curt, you did a lot more than merely ask a question.
You stated that Herb had taken money and not delivered a guitar as promised.
That is absolutely untrue - it's slander, pure and simple.
A few minutes ago when I told Herb who it was that was making these claims - Bill Brown - he told me what really happened:
Bill Brown ordered a guitar from Herb that was ready for shipment several weeks ago. When Herb notified him his guitar was ready, Bill told him not to ship it until he told him to because he was moving or something. So the guitar has been sitting there waiting for Bill to give Herb the go-ahead to ship it.
He has yet to do that.
Curt, you should know better than to take some second hand hogwash you heard from the likes of Bill Brown and publish it in a public forum as if it were fact.
Think about it - if you were a newbie trying to decide which builder to call for your first steel guitar and you read that first post, what would you do?
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| you owe it to Herb Remington to either come up with solid info or see to that this thread is deleted asap |
Steinar, you're absolutely right. Unfortunately, the damage is already done. This topic has been viewed 500 times - by steel guitar players.
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I think Curt Langston owes Herb a big apology for getting involved as well as posting this on the Forum. Let's keep the Forum open to helping each other out rather than trying to discredit someone
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Amen to that John!
Anyway, now that Herb finally knows just who it is that started this crap - he's going to call Bill and straighten him out.
He is very appreciative of all the support and accolades, and in his characteristically understated way he said: "It's been a very interesting day". |
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Curt Langston
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Posted 6 May 2007 5:10 pm
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* Curt, I assume your friend has receipts from these transactions, is there a way he can provide you with copies since he's not on the internet?
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Of course he does. 1500.00 worth.
Also, he has bought 3 of 4 guitars from him in the past.
This is not an attack on Herb, by any means.
My buddy ordered and paid for a double neck guitar and has yet to receive it.
Thats all there is to the story. |
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Curt Langston
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Posted 6 May 2007 5:12 pm
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A few minutes ago when I told Herb who it was that was making these claims - Bill Brown - he told me what really happened:
Bill Brown ordered a guitar from Herb that was ready for shipment several weeks ago. When Herb notified him his guitar was ready, Bill told him not to ship it until he told him to because he was moving or something. So the guitar has been sitting there waiting for Bill to give Herb the go-ahead to ship it.
He has yet to do that.
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No Rick. Herb wanted to ship it in a soft case. Several months past due. Not in his usual hardcase. Thats why I said there may be a problem with the case maker.
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| Anyway, now that Herb finally knows just who it is that started this crap - he's going to call Bill and straighten him out. |
Well, thats good Rick. All he has to do is ship a guitar. Then things will be "all straightened out"
Seems simple enough to me.
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Curt, you did a lot more than merely ask a question.
You stated that Herb had taken money and not delivered a guitar as promised.
That is absolutely untrue - it's slander, pure and simple. |
Bill paid for his guitar a year ago, and has not received it. No slander at all.
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| This does not seem to be the norm for Remington guitars, so I thought I would ask. |
Notice the words "does not seem to be the norm" |
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Rick Alexander
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Florida, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 6 May 2007 6:02 pm
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I tend to believe Herb Remington over Bill Brown.
The guitar has been ready to ship for some time, awaiting word from Bill. It wasn't "overdue" at all.
Herb doesn't give due dates, that's just something you have to accept when you order a Remington.
It takes anywhere from 4 to 8 months, rarely any longer.
My T-8 took about 8 months, and it was worth waiting for!
I have several steel guitars, but the Steelmaster is the one I take to live performances.
I have never known Herb to break his word or misrepresent anything.
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HowardR
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Posted 6 May 2007 6:32 pm
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I waited 6 months for my Remington T 8/10......
I waited 3 years for a Melobar.....
I think that only the buyer who is directly involved should should state his case, if there is indeed one, and even then, he better have his facts straight because there are three sides to every story.....
I don't think a friend who has no direct involvement should be posting.....particularly when a well respected man who has given so much to steel guitar history.....be put on the line. Even if he is not accused, and even if only a question is asked, it's inferred......and all it takes is a sentance, a question, a remark, or even a few words......great care should be observed using this medium......it doesn't take much to malign somebody...... |
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b0b
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Posted 6 May 2007 6:35 pm
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Bill Brown is a Forum Member who has posted at least 190 times. Yes, this is the same Bill Brown.
Herb Remington is not a computer guy, but he does answer his phone. If he had actually closed shop (he hasn't), his good buddies Rick Alexander and Bobby Bowman would certainly have notified the community.
The bottom line here is Yes, Remington Steel is still in business. I have no idea why Curt would choose to post such an uninformed message on Bill Brown's behalf, when a simple phone call to Herb could have cleared this up. Heresay can be damaging to a person's reputation and business.
Herb Remington is an honest businessman. I've known him since before the Forum existed. He's both a friend and a role model to me - an all-around wonderful human being.
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George Keoki Lake
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Edmonton, AB., Canada
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Posted 6 May 2007 8:26 pm
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As bOb so apply indicated: "a simple phone call to Herb could have cleared this up."
May I respectfully suggest to bOb that this thread be closed before bad leads to worse ? |
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Al Collinsworth
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Posted 7 May 2007 3:24 am Is Remmington still in business?
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| Alas, another great steel guitar player, builder, Hall of Famer from Texas unfairly and undeservedly thumped in the Forum. |
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