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David Fields

 

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Post  Posted 24 Apr 2007 8:06 pm    
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Do you need a strob tuner? Can't you just use a regular guitar tuner? Someone said that it is not 440.....then what would it be?
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Calvin Walley


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Post  Posted 24 Apr 2007 8:24 pm    
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most of us use a chromatic tuner, calibrated in cents or htz. many here tune by ear ...i don't think you can use a reg. guitar tuner but i'm not sure about that
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richard burton


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Post  Posted 24 Apr 2007 9:20 pm    
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Mike Maddux


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Post  Posted 24 Apr 2007 10:05 pm    
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The topic of tempered tuning has been brought up countless times on the forum in previous threads. When I first started playing steel a couple years ago I did not understand the concept. I am still a novice but from what I understand the steel must be out of tune to sound in tune with itself. Puzzling concept huh? When you tune to 440 and play up the neck you get gradually more out of tune, but more importantly the steel will sound out of tune in a band situation.

When I tune what I will do is tune to a Jeff Newman Chart with an analog Chromatic tuner (the kind with a needle - like a Boss TU-12). Then I will play up the neck around the 8th to 12th frets and see if it sounds in tune there. It never does. So then you have to tune slight increments because chances are you will be playing up there rather then in the open position.

Thats just my two cents! (No pun intended)

Am I close? My steel sounds in tune with my band so I must be doing something right.
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David Doggett


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Post  Posted 24 Apr 2007 11:42 pm    
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You can use a guitar tuner to tune your E strings, and then tune the rest by ear to give good sounding chords. A method for doing this is given below. Using such chord harmonies, you will probably get close to what is known as Just Intonation (JI), which is the natural tuning system based on harmonics. Fixed pitch instruments such as pianos use a different system called Equal Temper (ET), and that is what a chromatic tuning meter will give you. There is a certain amount of dissonance built into the ET scale that helps pianos play in tune in all keys. You should try both tuning systems and see which you prefer. You can do a web search on Just Intonation or Equal Temper and learn more about these systems. Some chromatic tuners come with presets that approximate JI, and blank settings that allow the user to program in a customized tuning that can compensate for slight mechanical imperfections in each instrument. This stuff is nice to have, especially in a noisy environment where you cant hear to tune by ear; but you don't have to have such a tuner. Eventually it is good to get some kind of chromatic tuner, so you can play around with it and see what the differences are between what the meter says, and what your ears might prefer.

Mike, you are not necessarily putting your instrument "out of tune" when you depart from the straight up meter (440). Historically JI has been considered "in tune" and it is actually the meter that is intentionally "tempered" slightly out of tune. If you start with a rough tuning by the meter, then listen to the chords and adjust to get the pure beatless harmonies of JI, you are actually putting your guitar more in tune than the meter is. Meters are a compromise designed for fixed pitch instruments, but steel guitar is not a fixed pitch instrument.

Tuning E9 Pedal Steel by ear:
1. Take the root note of the tuning, E (strings 4 and 8 on E9), and tune that note alone to a tuning reference (tuning fork, electronic tuner, keyboard).
2. Now play an E chord on strings 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, and tune all the strings so that chord sounds nice to your ears, without changing the Es on strings 4 and 8.
3. Play a B chord on strings 1, 2, 5, 7. String 5 is the reference. You have already tuned it in the previous step, so do not change it. Tune the other strings so they make a nice chord with string 5.
4. There are multiple ways to tune string 9, but the simplest is to play an E chord on strings 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, and tune string 9 so it sounds nice as the 7th of the E7 chord. Or, make a Bm chord with strings 7, 9, and 10. Tune sring 9 to sound good as the minor 3rd of that chord.
5. Press the A and B pedals to make an A chord on strings 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10. Strings 4 and 8 are unaffected by those pedals, and have already been established as your reference strings, so do not change them. Tune the pedal stops on the other strings to make a nice sounding A chord with the unchanged strings 4 and 8.
6. Press pedals B and C to make an F#m chord on strings 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. Tune the C pedal stops on strings 4 and 5 to sound nice with that chord, and do not change strings 3, 6, 7.
7. If you have an F lever (raises the Es ½ step), activate it with the A pedal to make a C# chord on strings 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10. Tune the F lever stops on strings 4 and 8 to sound nice with that chord without changing any other strings or stops.
8. If you have an E lower lever (lowers the Es ½ step), activate it to make a G#m chord on strings 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10. Tune the stops on strings 4 and 8 so that chord sounds nice, without changing any other strings or stops.
9. Any other pedal or lever stops are tuned by the above principles. Find the most common chord the change is part of, and tune the stops to that chord without changing any other strings or stops.

The F# on string 7 cannot be tuned perfectly with both the B chord of strings 1, 2, 5 and the F#m chord of B and C pedals. I tune my 7th string perfect for the B chord, which also makes it perfect for the E scale and E9 chord. For the BC pedal chord, I pull the E on string 8 up to F# on my C pedal, and tune it perfectly as the root of that F#m chord.


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Mike Maddux


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Post  Posted 25 Apr 2007 1:23 am    
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That is an incredible help. Im gonna print that out so I always have it.
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Michael Douchette


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Post  Posted 25 Apr 2007 3:32 am    
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You don't need a strobe, but I've used one for 30 years... I prefer it.
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Jack Stoner


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Post  Posted 25 Apr 2007 4:00 am    
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There are many theories on tuning and many "ways" of tuning a pedal steel guitar. What works for one person may not work for someone else.
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Colby Tipton


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Crosby, Texas, USA
Post  Posted 25 Apr 2007 12:47 pm    
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I think that Mr. Richard Burton has a new deal. You have all of the smilly faces, now you have the Burton gatta way. What a lick.
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Ben Jones


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Seattle, Washington, USA
Post  Posted 25 Apr 2007 12:52 pm    
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guitar tuner works just fine
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