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Topic: Strait / Ace in the hole steeler. Davies? |
Charles Dempsey
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Posted 13 Jan 2007 10:07 am |
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Went to see George Strait last night. A young lady named Swift kicked off (some dobro but no steel), and then Ronnie Milsap (no steel). It was an excellent gig even though I was sitting in the nose-bleed section.
They didn't show George's steeler on the monitors very often, but he was featured on a lot of parts. He played a black Zum D-10 and I think they said his name was Mark Davies from San Marcos. Did I get that right?
George also had an excellent fiddler who played a bastardo (5-string).
If this show is coming to your area I highly recommend seeing it. George's version of Milk Cow Blues is worth the price of admission by itself.
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Fred Shannon
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Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas, R.I.P.
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Posted 13 Jan 2007 10:17 am
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Probably Mike Daily. Was in the Ace in the Hole band when they "hired" George.
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Charley Adair
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Maxwell, Texas, USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2007 1:06 pm
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Mike Daily still plays for George and does live here in San Marcos. Part of the band plays in this area quite often. Heard them just a few weeks ago with Hag's guitar player. Good show.
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Charles Dempsey
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Shongaloo, LA
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Posted 13 Jan 2007 2:08 pm
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Aha! That's it. The man is a very tasteful pedal steel player. I wish we'd been closer.
The thing I hate about these arena gigs (other than being 1/2 mile away from the stage) is that you never get to meet any of the guys.
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Brett Day
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Posted 13 Jan 2007 4:34 pm Re; Mike Daily
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| Mike plays a Zumsteel on tour with George. He used to play an Emmons and he's been with the Ace In The Hole Band before George came along. Brett, Emmons S-10, Morrell lapsteel, GFI Ultra D-10-aka "Redgold Beauty" |
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Brett Day
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Pickens, SC
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Posted 13 Jan 2007 4:35 pm
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The lady you're talking about is Taylor Swift.
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Charles Dempsey
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Shongaloo, LA
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Posted 13 Jan 2007 9:07 pm
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| Brett Day wrote: |
The lady you're talking about is Taylor Swift.
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Yup. That ought to be easy to remember seeing as how she was playing a Taylor  .
She was real good too. Big sound, good presence, excellent voice. There was some problem with the sound system where every once in a while something went "WHAM" like you'd banged a mic with your acoustic guitar. Don't know if anyone else noticed it. They had it fixed by the time Ronnie came on.
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Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 14 Jan 2007 9:30 am
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****There was some problem with the sound system where every once in a while something went "WHAM" like you'd banged a mic with your acoustic guitar. Don't know if anyone else noticed it. They had it fixed by the time Ronnie came on.****
Charlie.. shes young, new and hasn't paid her dues as yet,, The sound system sabotage you described has been going on as long as I can remember.. I have been witness to it at concerts and many times while opening for a "big name".. It happens constantly and I find it DISGRACEFUL!!... It is a "time honored tradition" that NEVER should have become a part of performances by "stars"... I have known about this awful practice and seen it TOO many times over the last 30 years or so..Its a miserable thing to do to another musician/singer/band etc... bob
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erik
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Posted 14 Jan 2007 10:18 am
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Never heardof this being done on purpose.
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Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 14 Jan 2007 11:27 am
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erik.. Its not a suppossed practice.. Its a well known reality. Many here have seen it and we had a thread about it a few years back... As far as the headliner having control over it, I doubt it, plus its part of the deal. I would imagine it happened to the biggest stars in thier "pre star" careers... Not every time , but I have seen it a LOT.. Quite a few times, when doing "pre feature" openers, I have had horrible crackling,hum, explosive sounds, cutting in and out and a myriad of major problems from the system that mysteriously morphed into crystal clear sound when the "featured artist" took the stage...
Its just the way things are, and is accepted... bob |
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Charles Dempsey
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Shongaloo, LA
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Posted 14 Jan 2007 2:19 pm
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| Bob Carlucci wrote: |
| The sound system sabotage you described has been going on as long as I can remember.. |
Woah! I had no clue.
That sucks!
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Mike Wheeler
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Delaware, Ohio, USA
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Posted 14 Jan 2007 2:38 pm
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Bob is, unfortunately, quite correct. The sound crews don't consider the "warm up act" to be part of the "real" evening performance. Therefore, they are only there to fine tune the system for the headliners, and warm up the audience (read - get them used to excessive Dbs!). There is some basis of truth in using the warmup to finalize things, but usually these guys abuse the priviledge to an extreme and put the audience through some lousy sound quality while they "mess around".
I think it is, and always has been, a very unprofessional practice.
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Alan Miller
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Posted 14 Jan 2007 4:03 pm
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| Charles said earlier in this thread that he doesnt like these arema gigs because he is 1/2 a mile from the stage...I have a remedy for that, I always take my binoculars 10x50 and i get a great view from the cheap seats ! |
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Don Discher
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Sault Ste Marie,Ontario,Canada
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Posted 14 Jan 2007 4:38 pm strait
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| I went to an arena concert a few years back here in Michigan and a local country band was the opening act and they were working their butts off and you could hardly understand a word they were saying,the rythm guitar was louder than the lead etc.even through all the crap going on with the sound system they were good. Then Janie Frickie came on and she was pretty popular at the time and even she was getting mic feedback and the over all sound was bad but she put on a good show.Then the main act.Mickey Gilley came out and you would think you were in a different building altogether and even tho I liked his show I felt that he had something to say about the sound and not wanting to be outdone by the other acts.I heard Reba talk about this subject one time and that she made sure that her opening acts had the same sound as her band would have.She is a classy lady and the only star i've heard even mention the fact that the opening acts are just sound checks for the main act. |
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erik
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Posted 14 Jan 2007 5:59 pm
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I could understand being used to tune the room seeing how any sound check prior would not include a house full of patrons.
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Mike Wheeler
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Delaware, Ohio, USA
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Posted 14 Jan 2007 6:47 pm
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I really don't think it is a goal to purposely screw up anyone's sound. And it's not a black and white issue. It's more like a very sloppy work ethic that's developed over the years.
Back in the 70s, I have seen and worked with major sound companies who took great pride in their reputation. They would go to extreme lengths to insure that every note played sounded fantastic, and just as good as the main act. But, unfortunately, there are name acts that don't like that! They have to be the best sounding, or someone's head rolls.
I worked concerts where the warmup act was so good, that the audience cheered for them to return to the stage AFTER the name act took the stage. Not all big dogs are the best in show. ha!
The end result after all these years is....the heck with the warmups, just nail sound for the stars...they pay the bills anyway.
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Jim Walker
From:
Headland, AL
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Posted 15 Jan 2007 2:09 am
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| Alan Miller wrote: |
| Charles said earlier in this thread that he doesnt like these arema gigs because he is 1/2 a mile from the stage...I have a remedy for that, I always take my binoculars 10x50 and i get a great view from the cheap seats ! |
I seen George Strait at the Oakland Coliseum back in 1998. Even with binoculars it looked like a bunch of ants running around on stage. 1/2 mile and then some I think. I don't know if I'd call $58 bucks a head, "Cheap Seats".
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Brandon Ordoyne
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Needville,Texas USA
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Posted 15 Jan 2007 10:37 am
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| I have see George Strait at the Houston Rodeo 3 times and they all have been great! Field Level seats are only $20. I believe someone before commented on his fiddle player. I am sure he was Gene Elders, who has been with the Ace in the Hole for a long time. |
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Alvin Blaine
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Picture Rocks, Arizona, USA
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Posted 15 Jan 2007 10:47 am
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| Charley Adair wrote: |
Mike Daily still plays for George and does live here in San Marcos.
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I think Mike is one of the founders of and owner of the "Ace in The Hole Band" name, so technically George Strait sings in Mike's band. |
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Paddy Long
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Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 15 Jan 2007 11:38 am
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I went to Jeff Newmans school with Mike Dailey back in 1982 -- George had just had his first big #1 hit and Mike was there for the same reason I was --- "we better learn to play all this stuff that's coming out of Nashville" !! I had just landed a job in the house band of a national TV show.
Mike is a wonderful player and a really nice bloke too - glad to see he is still with George - wouldn't that be a dream job ! |
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Charles Dempsey
From:
Shongaloo, LA
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Posted 15 Jan 2007 4:07 pm
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When I mentioned the sound system glitch I wasn't aware that I was saying something controversial. I have pretty good ears for music so was not 100% sure anyone else noticed it. Last night I checked with the young lady I took to the gig and she verified that there was a noise during Taylor Swift's part of the show, and that it was annoying.
I didn't bring my binocs because I was told we had good seats. They were pretty good compared to the view from the parking lot .
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Jody Sanders
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Magnolia,Texas, R.I.P.
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Posted 15 Jan 2007 11:02 pm
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| Have been in lots of opening acts, and the only guy who said: Give these guys as good a sound check as me, was Tim McGraw. The rest could could have cared less. In fact, The Gibson Miller Band told us: You don't get a sound check, you take what you get. Jody. |
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Bernie Gonyea
From:
Sherman Tx. 75092 ,U.S.A. (deceased)
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Posted 21 Jan 2007 1:57 pm Big Arenas Sound Systems
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A few years back, I went to a " HAG" concert at a big out-door Show in Ottawa, Canada; This was one of those performances, where Hag's whole band was the lead act; they played for about ten minutes; and out came the star, Mr Haggard. Right from the start of the show, the sound scene was terrible; you couldn't tell whom was singing what. Even the "HAG " sounded like Dolly Partin.. He immediately stopped every thing; told the sound crew to get things in order, before another tune would be played. Took them about 15 more minutes to straighten things out; and The Star finished the concert in fashion. But, I say, when you are paying $ 35.00 to $ 65.00 per ticket; the head-liner should do something about giving the folks their money's worth.  |
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Will Brumley
From:
Hubbard, TX
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Posted 23 Jan 2007 7:32 pm true it is
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| I have been on some of these shows where they made the opening act sound terrible. We had enough of it and the manager hired a sound man for our group. He made us sound very nice and when we were off stage he zeroed out the board. Boy were they mad. Not saying it was right but neither was the practice of making decent bands sound terrible. It doesn't make sense however it does happen. Miranda Lambert played the American Airlines center in Dallas. She is a new act and sounded bad. Then Dierks Bently was headlining and when he came on it sounded very nice. Maybe someone has a better explanation of why this is happening but I believe someone is responsible. |
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Michael Hartz
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Decorah, Iowa, USA
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Posted 23 Jan 2007 9:59 pm Sound
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| I have personally witnessed this past year while opening for several national acts that there are alot of BAD soundmen out there traveling with these acts. It seems alot of them think the only good sound is loud sound and I heard alot of concerts where you couldn't even hear the fiddle or steel. A friend who owns a sound co. told me many of them demand certain pieces of rack gear at the FOH board then don't really even know how to run them properly. Makes you think somebody's brother-in-law got hired just cause he had a rack full of stereo stuff back in college. |
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