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Topic: Rick..what year and scale length |
basilh
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Rick Aiello
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Berryville, VA USA
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Posted 9 Mar 2005 4:47 am |
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Thats an A22 ...
One octagonal volume knob ... #00 "series" serial number ... circa 1933-34 ... is my guess.
Nice one too ... that one ain't gonna go off cheap.
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My wife and I don't think alike. She donates money to the homeless and I donate money to the topless! ... R. Dangerfield
[This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 09 March 2005 at 05:18 AM.] |
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basilh
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Posted 9 Mar 2005 4:51 am
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Thanks for the info "Rick-Rick"
That's about what I guessed..
Well what do you know..I no sooner post the question than someone outbids me...
But that's just what I wanted to happen...
"The games afoot Watson !!"
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Rick Aiello
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Berryville, VA USA
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 9 Mar 2005 9:57 am
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Notice the slot at the end of the headstock, obviously a hollow neck.
Are there known production records of how many hollow vs solid necks were made each year for the short A22 and long A24 scales?
Which came first (I'm betting solid), and when did the alternative follow?
How did they make the cavity?
Rick, were you planning a hollow neck Duster?
Maybe a solid/hollow dbl. neck...?
A fair price for the pair?
I'd say $5000, but it'll probably hit 7 if it's all working well 'and' came together originally w/provenance, as you sure don't see a sweet set like that very often.
Makes you wonder where it's been thru all these years...
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 9 Mar 2005 10:05 am
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 [This message was edited by Mike Neer on 09 March 2005 at 01:49 PM.] |
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 9 Mar 2005 10:20 am
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I'd say that would be the deal of the day, Mike!
A long solid 7 and amp in that condition with what I discribed above would be a legit contender for the kinda $ Jr. Brown was asking last month for his.
Somebody is gonna be real happy. |
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Rick Aiello
From:
Berryville, VA USA
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Bill Creller
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Saginaw, Michigan, USA (deceased)
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Posted 9 Mar 2005 2:24 pm
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I heard ( I don't remember where) that the very first frypans were solid necks, and that some people bitched when the hollow necks came out (???) Mine is supposedly a 1933, but who really knows. I thought the late solid necks were all built after WW II, because I have never heard of a post-war hollow neck.
( I could be wrong,I was once, in 1947)
The inner core shift on some of the hollow necks during the casting process supposedly made good sounding ones, and mediocre sounding ones, so we know why McIntire tried them out first!!
If it was a seven string (the one on Ebay) it would definitely be worth some bucks. Mine is an original 7, which is the only reason I have it. I have converted solid necks to 7, but would NEVER do it to an old hollow neck. The 22 3/8 scale seems normal, with the shrinkage of aluminum from a casting, which maybe had a 22 1/2 mold.[This message was edited by Bill Creller on 09 March 2005 at 02:38 PM.] |
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Rick Aiello
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Berryville, VA USA
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Posted 9 Mar 2005 3:29 pm
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Thats what I always figured ... a 22.5" mold for the A22.
Then the A25 came in at exactly 25.5" (dead center to dead center) ... so that mold musta been close around 26".
My original Dustpans were 22.5" which shank to 22.24".
I used my CAD to factor in the shrinkage for the new line ... they will be perfect 22.5" and 25.5".
I read that "compression molding" (bakelites) basically reduces the shrinkage to 'el zippo ...
I find this stuff fascinating ... my wife on the other hand ... well her eyes glass over and roll back in her skull ...   
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George Keoki Lake
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Edmonton, AB., Canada
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Posted 9 Mar 2005 4:10 pm
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| Wouldn't it be nice if an old guitar like that could "talk" and tell us where it has been, who has owned and played it ? Must be a fascinating story behind that axe. Keep bidding Baz...you just might become the proud owner ! |
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 9 Mar 2005 7:08 pm
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It always baffles me why some Ebay buyers bid and bid away, just jacking up the price instead of simply waiting til the end and giving it their best shot at what would be a much lower price.
This should be a fun one to watch. |
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Mike Neer
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NJ
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Posted 9 Mar 2005 7:26 pm
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It also baffles me why someone would send this to the seller: Your reserve for the Rickenbacker steel ("frying pan") and amp was about 10% of what it should have been...despite correctible ravages of age. I'll be very surprised if this rig doesn't bring $3500 when the smoke clears in 5 days. ("What do you know about anything, Mr. Self-Appointed Impertinent Dispenser of Unsolicited Advice?") Qualifications and experience available upon request.
WTF? |
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 9 Mar 2005 7:34 pm
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Re- WTF? indeed...
That IS an odd one![This message was edited by Ron Whitfield on 09 March 2005 at 07:36 PM.] |
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Bill Creller
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Saginaw, Michigan, USA (deceased)
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Posted 10 Mar 2005 3:22 pm
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| I sure agree with Keoki about the stories an instrument could tell. Some of these Ebay guitars could have belonged to a famous person, and wound up in a closet for years before being sold at an estate sale. |
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Ron Whitfield
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Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 10 Mar 2005 5:24 pm
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If all vintage steels being sold had their provenance documented/known, many would go for incredible amounts of $, and dragging the average price up along with it.
But it would be very interesting if these steels could talk. All of us are holding an old guitar that has tons to tell.
Here's one that didn't get away...
In old photos of the original Hawaii Calls troupe, which included Hilo Hattie and David Kelii, David is seen with a late 30s Epiphone single 6 steel (w/horseshoe PU).
Many folks in the steel guitar world have wondered for decades what happened to this guitar after David began using a Rick fry pan, then others with the Epi never to be seen again.
Until, a few years ago when a trio of steels was purchased at a Honolulu pawn shop for cheap. The dirty and termite eaten little Epi landed in a friends hands for $60 and everybody went home happy.
Said friend opens the controls cavity to clean, and finds his idol's pencil written signature starring up at him, having been placed there for identification while in the repair shop, and possibly never claimed.
It obviously sat for decades until someone put it out for sale instead of the garbage.
It then got spruced up new and given to an appreciative college of the owners.
To me, this guitar is priceless. |
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Bill Creller
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Saginaw, Michigan, USA (deceased)
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Posted 11 Mar 2005 7:07 pm
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You are right Ron. I had the bottom plate off that Epi and saw David's name on the tpo of the cavity. The un-named gentleman who recieved it as a gift was VERY surprised and pleased.
BILL |
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Ron Whitfield
From:
Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2005 4:34 pm
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Bill, it was a moment I couldn't believe and will never forget when holding that guitar (in it's original condition) and seeing his signature. A true chicken skin moment every time I was lucky enuf to have it in my hands.
Unfortunately, it needed serious attention to be preserved, and is now back in shape giving it's living history and great sound to a whole new century's worth of listeners.
Play on, Jack! |
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