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Topic: Is It Wise To Sidestep Traditionalism On Occasion? |
Bo Legg
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Posted 22 Nov 2012 6:09 pm |
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Why I say no to sidestepping traditionalism.
I believe traditionalism is rational when we are dealing with things that cannot be demonstrated and reduced to clear rules.
Those include basic things that define the way each of us play steel guitar.
The way we play is too close to us and too comprehensive to be reduced to rule or judged wholly by external standards.
You have to play it to understand it. As a result, every way we play is traditional. |
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Charles Davidson
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Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 22 Nov 2012 8:56 pm
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Bill,Can you name who you may think is a traditional steel guitar player,So we will know who to sidestep. You mentioned Roy Wiggens,he had a style of his OWN.So did Don Helms,Curly,Buddy Emmons,Leon,Pee Wee Whitewing,Hughey,Morrell,Koefer,Sneaky Pete,Kayton Roberts,Speedy West,Mooney,Isaacs,Drake,Green,Brumley,etc.Which of these would you think were traditional or original.Do you even have a clue what traditionalism means ? YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.
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Hard headed, opinionated old geezer. BAMA CHARLIE. GOD BLESS AMERICA. ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVIST. SUPPORT LIVE MUSIC ! |
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Bill L. Wilson
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Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 22 Nov 2012 11:08 pm Tradition
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 23 Nov 2012 5:42 am
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| I've noticed that "headaches" are common among those who become agitated if they don't find everyone in total agreement with their own ideals. I once met a man who claimed he suffered with migraine headaches all his life. Tension headaches are more prone to disagreeableness. Argumentative personalities speak very well, but rarely hear what the other person is saying. They stand to lose very valuable information, as it glides into one ear, and then out the other. And then there are certain types who are quick to point out another's faults, while maintaining a steadfast belief that they can do no wrongs. This thread's subject matter fits very well into the common knowledge that when too much time and effort yields very few rewards, a person should realize that approaches to a problem calls for a system of changes; hence, breaking with tradition. The steel guitar, with or without pedals, remains as the nucleus of a multiplicity of discussions. |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 23 Nov 2012 7:49 am
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| This thread's subject matter fits very well into the common knowledge that when too much time and effort yields very few rewards, a person should realize that approaches to a problem calls for a system of changes; hence, breaking with tradition. |
Very good Bill. Now how about breaking with tradition and stop posting inane threads like this one?
One man's tradition is another man's perdition..   |
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 23 Nov 2012 8:40 am
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Barry,
Since you've appeared as one of the ultimate forum scanners who seeks to improve situations by making suggestions to others, perhaps you wouldn't mind scanning PAUL FRANKLIN'S comments on the C6th tuning in ALEX CATTANEO'S thread. It contradicts your outlook on traditions. I'm confident that his clout will bring down some of your statements that haven't reached a point of resolve in quite some time. We've come up short in that department; where authoritative figures speak out affirmatively. |
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Charles Davidson
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Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 23 Nov 2012 11:32 am
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Bill, Are you now a specialist that can diagnose migraines ? I thought your vocation was scrape metal not in the medical field.Should we start calling you [Dr. Bill] ? Or are you dodging my last question about [which you are a master at]traditionalism.Those great players I listed,How would you have them classified ? Traditional or original.Can you name ONE we should sidestep.YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.
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Hard headed, opinionated old geezer. BAMA CHARLIE. GOD BLESS AMERICA. ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVIST. SUPPORT LIVE MUSIC ! |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 23 Nov 2012 12:25 pm
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| Bill, I was commenting on your traditions, not anyone else's.. |
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 23 Nov 2012 12:39 pm
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A pedal steel guitar happens to be a bit quirky, even in the hands of a great master. Our ears cannot pick up the off pitch notes played by the greats of the steel guitar. It's only common sense; some players miss dead center bar accuracy more than others in attaining a desired pitch. I have no doubt that any skillful player knows fully well that it's a guessing game. Cabinet drops has been an ongoing problem common to the pedal steel guitar players for many years. Close, but just to the right or left would be a most fitting description, even among our most advanced players; speaking in terms of pitch accuracy. Bar shivers have become the hallmarks of distinguished instrumentalists. It's very similar to our songbirds, more notaby the wood thrush singing after a light shower at the edges of a densely wooded area.Without proper bar shivers and volume pedal swells, the quality of expressions are reduced to the beginner's levels of managing the bars.   |
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Bill Hankey
From:
Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 24 Nov 2012 10:00 am
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| Breaking with tradition, would be like telling it like it is. |
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Charles Davidson
From:
Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 24 Nov 2012 2:18 pm
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Dr. Hankey,Forget the [bar shivers] Just answer the simple question,Which of the great players I mentioned would you consider TRADITIONAL.And should he be sidestepped ?Can you explain this thread or are you going to change the subject again to some childish nonsense ? If you bring up these BS threads you should at least have the courtesy to EXPLAIN what you are rambling on about,Do you have to rehash the same old lame BS about bar accuracy or the tired old subject [CABINET DROP] ,OR SONGBIRDS ? Just answer ONE very simple question [which of the great pickers do you consider traditional ?] YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.
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Hard headed, opinionated old geezer. BAMA CHARLIE. GOD BLESS AMERICA. ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVIST. SUPPORT LIVE MUSIC ! |
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 24 Nov 2012 3:38 pm
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| Any player who resorts to antics such as playing without picks would be nontraditional. "LITTLE" ROY WIGGINS helped EDDY ARNOLD score number one hits one after the other with his nontraditional style of playing steel guitar. JERRY BYRD became the master of "touch and tone" by refusing to follow others. BUD ISAACS taught nonpedal users how to slip away from traditionalism. It's very difficult to make important contributions by following in the footprints of others. That is, if the subject turns to music. |
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Charles Davidson
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Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 24 Nov 2012 11:16 pm
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Dr. Bill,your post specifically mentions traditional players.I gave you a list of some of the greats and asked a VERY SIMPLE question.Which ones do you think are traditional,and which ones we should sidestep as you suggested.As always you dodge a simple question by changing the subject.It's almost insulting that you insinuate that most steel players are not aware of the contributions that Roy Wiggins,Jerry Byrd,Bud Isaacs,etc,made to the steel guitar.You are just still dodging a simple question.At the top of YOUR post you are talking about traditional players,but YOU only mention NON-traditional players in your last post.Seems you are contradicting yourself.YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.
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Hard headed, opinionated old geezer. BAMA CHARLIE. GOD BLESS AMERICA. ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVIST. SUPPORT LIVE MUSIC ! |
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 25 Nov 2012 5:08 am
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| I have no intentions to glorify inaccurate quotations; for example, Could anyone direct me to where I said anything about sidestepping the masters of the steel guitar? Definitely not so! I may claim to have said that if you are going to search for something, leave no stones unturned. That's my point in a nutshell! You shouldn't set the "hounds" to runnin', without a track to follow. Once the fox has been sighted, don't give up the chase. The system known as "dumb down" will remove much of the controversial aspects of traditions familiar to steel guitarists. |
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Stuart Legg
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Posted 25 Nov 2012 7:37 am
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Bill I don't know how or if you said it but sometimes it's good to sidestep the traditionalism and take a new path to earning a living totally opposite to traditions handed down by the masters of PSG.
I think Bo is a great example for your topic and this principle.
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Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 25 Nov 2012 8:07 am
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Stuart,
I prefer to disregard how or when others manage the problems associated with playing the pedal steel guitar. They take a lot of pride in tracking down their own style of playing; it seems as though it goes with the business of learning the instrument's many problems. You are either suited to become a respected player, or you spend a lot of time noodling around, getting no further than 10 feet from your closet. More later... |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 25 Nov 2012 9:25 am
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| I may claim to have said that if you are going to search for something, leave no stones unturned. That's my point in a nutshell! |
You should have quit while you were ahead! |
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Charles Davidson
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Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 25 Nov 2012 1:22 pm
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Dr. Bill,what does a fox or a hound have to do with the question you were asked[WHICH WILL NEVER BE ANSWERED.] YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.
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Hard headed, opinionated old geezer. BAMA CHARLIE. GOD BLESS AMERICA. ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVIST. SUPPORT LIVE MUSIC ! |
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Pete Conklin
From:
Austin, TX
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Posted 25 Nov 2012 2:38 pm
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I've seen some wacky BH threads, but this has got to be
one of the tops.  |
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Bill Hankey
From:
Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 25 Nov 2012 5:51 pm
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Pete,
Don't get carried away with your own "brilliance". I read through your 9 pages of comments. I discovered a few misspelled words that are not that difficult. |
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Pete Conklin
From:
Austin, TX
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Posted 25 Nov 2012 6:34 pm
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| Bill, you just made my point for me. xoxoxo |
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Bill L. Wilson
From:
Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 25 Nov 2012 7:07 pm Tradition
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| Did I hear the seal break on a 55gal. drum of WHOOP ASS? My headache is cured, and my Emmons is sounding traditional again!!!! |
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Charles Davidson
From:
Phenix City Alabama, USA
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Posted 26 Nov 2012 12:00 am
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Pete,You hit the nail on the head. Notice he NEVER will answer a direct question.To change the subject he will come up with some very SILLY BS about a misspelled word,or talking about animals or birds of some sort.Just immature juvenile incoherent rambling with no logic what so ever,he spreads more guana than you could find in Frio Cave in Concan Texas.YOU BETCHA,DYK?BC.
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Hard headed, opinionated old geezer. BAMA CHARLIE. GOD BLESS AMERICA. ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVIST. SUPPORT LIVE MUSIC ! |
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Alan Tanner
From:
Near Dayton, Ohio
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Posted 26 Nov 2012 3:34 am
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Bo Legg
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Posted 26 Nov 2012 6:02 am
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next!
Last edited by Bo Legg on 26 Nov 2012 6:12 am; edited 2 times in total |
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