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Topic: Mullen U12 with TT 7 & 5 |
Scott Appleton
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Posted 18 Aug 2007 1:30 pm |
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I am selling my Mullen U12 to get a Emmons S12 I found
for sale. I am asking $1,200.00. The case is a little scuffed but clean. The steel Has a TT Pu. It's red
mica and has 7 pedals and 6 knee's 3 verts and 3 levers. its in good shape and I have 3 extra pull rods that go with it. Pix on request. |
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Jim Dempsey
From:
Belmar, New Jersey, USA
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Posted 18 Aug 2007 2:44 pm steel
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| E-mail sent..Jim |
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Scott Appleton
From:
Ashland, Oregon
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Posted 19 Aug 2007 7:12 am Pix coming
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| Have been out but pix are on the way shortly. |
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Scott Appleton
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Ashland, Oregon
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Posted 20 Aug 2007 1:36 pm Mullen pix and updates
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This steel is about 10 years old and has lived mostly in the shop I bough it from 2 years ago.. still in great shape. I have a current offer of $ 1,350.00 plus shipping. I will post some pix.
Scott
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Rick Troyer
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 20 Aug 2007 6:57 pm
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| OK. I'm confused . Is it for sale at $1200 or is this an ebay auction ? Rick |
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Scott Appleton
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Ashland, Oregon
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Posted 20 Aug 2007 9:38 pm Mullen U12 with TT 7 & 5
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Sorry to confuse .. been quite a response from this listing but the steel may have a new home. I will post when the deal is complete.
Scott |
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Daniel J. Cormier
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Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 21 Aug 2007 9:53 am Mullen
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I thought the price was 1200.00 also. If i was going to bid on a guitar I'd buy one of e-bay. Atleast if the price changed I'd know why.
Scott
if you got a 1350.00 bid sell it.
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David Munson
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St. Louis, Missouri, USA
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Posted 21 Aug 2007 1:23 pm still for sale for $1200?
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| still for sale for $1200? Auction? How do I bid? |
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Jim Dempsey
From:
Belmar, New Jersey, USA
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Posted 21 Aug 2007 1:34 pm 1200.00
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| thought $1200.00 too?????? oh well |
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David Higginbotham
From:
Lake Charles, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 21 Aug 2007 4:09 pm
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I am selling my Mullen U12 to get a Emmons S12 I found
for sale. I am asking $1,200.00 |
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I have a current offer of $ 1,350.00 plus shipping. I will post some pix.
Scott |
Sounds like it started as a "for sale" then turned into an auction. |
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Russ Tkac
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Posted 21 Aug 2007 6:33 pm Looks like a clean Mullen!!
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I sent an email to Scott for pictures when it was listed. He must have had an offer over the asking price as $1200 seemed a bit low for a clean Mullen. So I'd cut him some slack. I see ads all the time that are priced too high and when no one buys the price comes down with a threat to go to eBay.  |
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Scott Appleton
From:
Ashland, Oregon
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Posted 21 Aug 2007 9:18 pm Mullen is sold
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That steel has a new home. I will be sending a donation
to B0b shortly. Thanks to all who were interested.
Scott |
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Ken Crisp
From:
North Carolina
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Posted 22 Aug 2007 3:06 am Confused in terms of For Sale "Status".
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| Scott Appleton wrote: |
I am selling my Mullen U12 to get a Emmons S12 I found
for sale. I am asking $1,200.00. |
<scratching>
Guys, I'm somewhat confused in the
"sale" process of this product ...
Does this "sale" and the way it was handled suggest the original asking price, was actually a "starting bid" price ?
At Ebay, if the price is specified "selling price", there is a [buy it now] tab for the first taker. If you click the tab and have the funds available, that item is yours and all bids are off.
It seems clarity is needed in terms of "For Sale" items with regards to this forum. If member John Doe posts an item for sale then 5 minutes later a prospective member replies "I'm extremely interested, Email or PM sent". Then another member possibly replies a few minutes later, "I'll give you more than the asking price". Is it to the sellers discretion to sale to the first inquirer who sent the first email or PM, or to the highest bidder ??
If this is the case, this could cause a world of confusion and animosity IMO.
With All Due Respect,
Ken
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Daniel J. Cormier
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Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2007 7:09 am Mullen
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I would have bought this guitar for 1800.00 if that was the asking price from the begining. Sure was a clean & beautiful axe.
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Ken Crisp
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North Carolina
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Posted 22 Aug 2007 8:22 am
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I know what you mean. I would have given $3856.71, but as the old saying goes, you snooze you loose. 
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 22 Aug 2007 9:33 am
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Surely you're not suggesting that if someone emails and offers to pay more than the asking price that a seller isn't free to accept more money, but instead is obligated to sell to the first responder at a lower price. 
I thought $1200 was well underpriced, and apparently some others did also. IMO, a seller isn't obligated until he or she completes the contract by accepting an offer to pay a certain amount of money and other terms of sale, in exchange for the guitar. |
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Mike Wheeler
From:
Delaware, Ohio, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2007 10:18 am
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I like to take people at their word. If an item is offered at a specific price and a buyer says he'll take it, to my way of thinking, that cements the deal...whether or not someone else offers more money. If the seller decides to withdraw the item after the buyer has committed to buy it, honesty and integrity demands following through with the original sale to the buyer, unless the buyer agrees to withdraw also. Integrity seems to be a fading trait these days, IMHO.
If someone wants to sell on a "highest bidder" basis, I think he's responsible to say so right up front.
I know, I know.....legal schmegal....I was taught that my word was my bond. If I underprice an item, tough for me. I'm gonna honor the sale, and hopefully learn from the experience.
Sorry for the rant, but this stuff really irritates me.
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Ken Crisp
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North Carolina
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Posted 22 Aug 2007 10:55 am
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| Dave Mudgett wrote: |
| Surely you're not suggesting that if someone emails and offers to pay more than the asking price that a seller isn't free to accept more money, but instead is obligated to sell to the first responder at a lower price. |
If your post is addressed to me then, Yes I am suggesting. It's a little thing my parents taught me when I was child called "Common Courtesy".
Do you go to the market and tell the cashier, "these tomatoes are under priced @ 99 cent a lb., so to be fair I'll pay you $1.99 cent a lb. ? Or tell the Cadillac Salesman, " That Cadillac is under priced @ $28,000, so to be fair, I'll give you $38,000 ? Now I understand the comparable difference as well as you, but before a buyer list a 'selling price', he or she has more than likely done their homework with regards to its worth and is aware of any instrument issues.
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| I thought $1200 was well under priced, and apparently some others did also. IMO, a seller isn't obligated until he or she completes the contract by accepting an offer to pay a certain amount of money and other terms of sale, in exchange for the guitar. |
I agree with your latter comment. However, if you or I feel an instrument is under priced, is merely irrelevant. IMO the "actual" price is what the seller seeks.
I believe clarity is needed when selling. The seller should clarify, "Taking Bids" or "OBO" or asking or selling price and from there on should be no deviations. I hope b0b will chime in and instruct us if this For Sale section is a free for all, or if there is protocol.
Also please keep in mind, while you're going behind the 'first bidders' back to make an offer and steal the guitar away, the first bidder may not be as financially stable as you are. Therefore, for the price listed may be in line with his or her budget.
I generally think of steelers in the higher echelon in terms of morals and ethics, don't you ?
With All Due Respect.
Ken
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Russ Tkac
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Posted 22 Aug 2007 11:27 am
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The first one to post is not always the first to reply. I sent an email before the first reply. I didn't offer to pay more. Someone did.  |
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 22 Aug 2007 11:35 am
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With all due respect, it doesn't look to me like the seller here started this as an auction. What appears to have happened is that the guitar was so underpriced that someone offered him more money. Or perhaps another member alerted him that it was seriously underpriced.
There was a thread on this type of thing in "Forum Feedback" earlier this year. Do you really think it's ethically right to insist that a forum member that is not knowledgable about guitar values be forced to accept the first offer when others make offers closer to the "real value" of the guitar? Come on, now, guys - a real clean Mullen U12 for $1200? This is fundamentally different than the professional sellers you speak of, IMHO. I think you should cut him some slack.
BTW - I don't think there is any "first bidder" rule on the forum, nor do I think there should be. There are many considerations in making a deal for a PSG across the miles, and they aren't all purely about the selling price. There is only an agreement when both parties decide there is, and that's no legal gobbldygook.
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I disagree. The "actual price" is the price jointly agreed upon between a seller and buyer. Would you suggest that it's not OK for the price to come down from the initial suggested price?
Either way, this should not be on this thread, IMO. If we want to hash this out, it should be on Feedback. I only responded because of the level of hostility shown this seller. I'd be very happy to see this all moved elsewhere. |
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Ken Crisp
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North Carolina
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Posted 22 Aug 2007 12:15 pm
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| Dave Mudgett wrote: |
| With all due respect, it doesn't look to me like the seller here started this as an auction. |
Agreed. If the seller had in fact posted the sale as an "auction", then there would be no confusion with regards to the previous posters.
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| Or perhaps another member alerted him that it was seriously underpriced. |
Well lets see .. through the grace of the world wide web, there's many of guitar shops that could have been easily contacted and provided some insight as to a resale value.
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| BTW - I don't think there is any "first bidder" rule on the forum, nor do I think there should be. |
I feel there should be a "first bidder" consideration out of respect for our fellow steelers. [The Common Courtesy Rule]
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| I disagree. The "actual price" is the price jointly agreed upon between a seller and buyer. |
Then why for goodness sakes even post an asking price ???
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| I only responded because of the level of hostility shown this seller. |
I have no ill feeling toward the seller, you or anyone. There should be "Rules" in place, or revisions to prohibit a prospective buyer from being stabbed in the back.
And lastly, Twelve Hundred Dollars is lot of money to me. The instrument was sold for $150 more than the asking. Is the $150 the amount in which you allude to being "seriously under priced" ??
With All Due Respect,
Ken
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 22 Aug 2007 1:14 pm
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I've seen comparable used Mullen U12 guitars selling for double the amount he initially had it for, and none much under $1800-2000. If that isn't seriously underpriced, I don't know what is.
This exact same scenario happened a couple of weeks ago on a '69 Emmons push/pull D-10, which the seller offered for $1500. Such a guitar typically goes for $3000 or more these days. I didn't see anybody hassle this guy for accepting a higher offer, and for good reason. In fact, the first poster - and the guy who ultimately got the guitar - openly told him that it was underpriced. See here: http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=114773
Look - if he wants to sell it for $1200 to the first bidder, fine. But obviously he changed his mind after learning the facts, and that is reasonable. Nobody was "stabbed in the back". The seller clearly told everyone that he had an offer for $1350, which IMO is still a great deal for this guitar. Anybody could have made him a fair offer. But to tell us that you have a right to insist he sell it for $1200 - sorry, it ain't so. I hope nobody seriously thinks about enforcing your "Common Courtesy Rule". The seller is the only person who should decide whether they will ultimately accept an offer to buy, or not.
BTW - you'd be dead correct if the seller agreed to the price and then reneged on the agreement to accept a higher offer. But that doesn't appear to be the case here. Seller made an offer to sell, prospective buyer made an offer to buy. But nothing's settled until they both agree and have a meeting of the minds. |
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Ron !
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Posted 22 Aug 2007 3:57 pm
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I see that as a golden rule on the forum.
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| I hope nobody seriously thinks about enforcing your "Common Courtesy Rule". |
I won't.I love the forum to much.From what I have seen over the many years is that all steel players are family and when they see an item for sale below value they will open their mouth and do the right thing.We don't want to see anybody gettin' burned.
Bottom line is......."We are family here"
Ron
P.S.
I love the steel guitar forum and see you all as my family.A family I am damn proud of. |
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Mike Wheeler
From:
Delaware, Ohio, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2007 5:43 pm
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I agree 100%, Ron.
Dave, the issue here isn't the price, it's the method used in the sale. This started as a typical straight ahead sale and turned into an auction without any warning. The two methods are not the same, and buyers will approach them each differently. That's the issue that started this.
Forum members are free to sell anything in any way they like. I simply feel it should be explained, up front, the way in which the seller intends to conduct his sale.
Would that be too much to ask of sellers? I don't think so.
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Mike
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Daniel J. Cormier
From:
Lake Charles, LA, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2007 5:43 pm Someone please Close this thread
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b0b
Someone needs to shut this one down before it gets ugly. Scott has sold the guitar and is on it's way to a new home.
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