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Topic: How to date a ShoBud........ |
Rick Abbott
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Posted 12 Aug 2007 6:22 pm |
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Of course you need to ask 'er out and hope that she doesn't have a steady. (insert laugh track here)
But seriously folks! I bought a Sho~Bud crossover that has no "Baldwin" sticker on the front and has the typical 6-1 pedal/lever mix with a stamped number of MO-7035 on the frame and body.
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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Stacey Young
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Pennsylvania, USA
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Alan Brookes
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Brummy living in Southern California
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Posted 12 Aug 2007 8:42 pm
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To date a Sho-Bud you take a core sample and count the rings.  |
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Paul Warnik
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Illinois,USA
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Posted 12 Aug 2007 10:17 pm
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| Rick A-I believe you have a late 60's Sho-Bud If you look at the changer end you see that guitar's neck has a "wood tail" having the changer and pickup mounted through the wood neck but not through a metal changer tail block(which came later) |
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Rick Abbott
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Indiana, USA
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Posted 13 Aug 2007 5:38 am
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Is there any way to determine the year and month of construction? It is the "wood tail" era.
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 13 Aug 2007 6:18 am
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Rick, your guitar is an early one. Notice that it has open-geared "Butterbean" tuning machines. These tuners were used on Permanents and Fingertips. The wrap-around wood is a good indicator also. I have an S-10 just like it, but a little later. My serial number is 7444, and there is a "Distributed by Baldwin" sticker on mine. I'm thinkin' late '67 or '68, as the Fingertip era is said to have ended sometime in '67. I sure would like to see some undercarriage pics of yours, cuz mine is pretty crude early baskets and barrels.
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 13 Aug 2007 7:23 am
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Rick, another point. About the keyheads on your guitar. Are the 5th and 6th string tuning machines directly across from each other? Or are they staggered so that the posts miss each other? On the Fingertip guitars, the posts were staggered. On later guitars, like mine, which was probably made a couple months later than yours(and came with closed Grover's), those two tuners were directly across from each other. That design made it necessary to actually grind down the ends of the posts to get them to fit. I was just thinkin', that if your guitar is as early as I think it is, it may have the Fingertip-style keyhead, as it does have the Fingertip-style tuning machines, which, BTW, Grover still makes. They also make that same tuner with an 18/1 ratio.
AND, another point about the keyheads. On the Fingertip castings, the "steps" between the tuners, on the outside edge of the casting, are cut very square, but are rounded on the inside edge of the casting. On later keyheads, the steps between the tuners are rounded on the inside AND the outside.
I was just thinkin' that if your guitar was made with Fingertip parts, you probably have one of the earliest basket and barrel guitars! More pics PLEASE! |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 13 Aug 2007 8:18 am
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 13 Aug 2007 8:27 am
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| Uhhhh! Fingertip on the left, Baldwin/Shobud on the right. Notice the square "steps" on the F-tip, and the more "scallopy" edge on the Baldwin/Bud. Also the difference in the way the inside ends are made. F-tip is square. Bal/Bud is rounded. |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 13 Aug 2007 8:20 pm
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I will send post some pics. I can confirm that the tuning posts are ground off. The posts (5-6) are directly across from each other. You'll probably stone me for the following information: I gutted the C-6 neck, I even removed the racks and the rails that they were attached to. I really like a G-6 non-pedal tuning e-g-b-d-e-g-b-d-e-g. I left the E-lower on the RKL and have decided to put the pedals, from left to right,F lever on pedal 1, typical A, B, C on peds 2 to 4. I'm still cleaning the steel. I hope to have a playable and simple tuning without sending it to a specialist. If it is one of the first rack and barrel then I'm dumb for gutting it. All of the parts are on the bench. I thought I had a 1970 or so.
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 13 Aug 2007 8:28 pm
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EEEEEEEEGAD!
You might have the earliest rack and barrel I've ever seen! Don't throw anything away. I'd buy this guitar in a minute just to preserve it. I'm not an expert on these. James Moorehead, Ricky Davis and most of all, John Coop would know for sure. But the :Butterbean" tuners are the most telling indication that this guitar is a piece of Shobud history. I could be wrong, but,,,,,,,,,,,, |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 13 Aug 2007 8:41 pm
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Rick, as a kind of a modifier to my EEEEGAD post. Some guys are into takin' old guitars, and modding them into really playable guitars. I'm into restoring guitars to the the best of what they were. One nice thing about rack and barrel Shobuds is that it's so easy to try different tunings and pulls on them. But yours is such an early R and B guitar, that I would want to restore it for its historical value. That's why I urge you to throw nothing away. if you ever want to sell it, call me.
Best, JB |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 13 Aug 2007 9:12 pm
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John, I am a true pack-rat. I couldn't throw a single screw away!!!!!!!! I hope to find more out, but thank you for the posts to date! I had no clue as to the date on this guitar. I bought it from a widow whos husband bought it from the widow of a guy named William Dickson. I say that It is "gutted" but I am not foolish, I have carefully kept everything.
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 14 Aug 2007 5:36 am
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More pics!
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 14 Aug 2007 5:43 am
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Look at that changer! It's a freak! That;s gotta be really, really early! The rollers in the nut almost look like the ball ends from strings! I'm amazed at this guitar! Could it even be a prototype?
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 14 Aug 2007 6:10 am
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 14 Aug 2007 6:16 am
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| Rick, question about how the tuning machines are mounted. Two mounting screws? Or just one? And if only one, is part of the tuner's baseplate ground off? |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 14 Aug 2007 6:30 am
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two screws, nothing is ground off. The rollers are somewhat gauged for string thickness.
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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Stacey Young
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 14 Aug 2007 6:32 am fingertip sho bud
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I just bought a double neck fingertip sho bud a few weeks ago.It's at a friends house being set up right now but when I get it back ,I'll post some pictures of it here. I never even heard of the term fingertip when I bought it,so I'm getting excited that it is such a part of history.
 Stace |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 14 Aug 2007 6:37 am
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 14 Aug 2007 6:39 am
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Here's my Fingertip
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 14 Aug 2007 6:40 am
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WOW (X4) that's very sweet!!!
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 14 Aug 2007 6:43 am
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| Why,,, Thank you Rick! It's my next project. Complete restoration is the plan. |
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 14 Aug 2007 8:52 am
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Rick, could you post a side view and endplate view of the changer.
JB |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 14 Aug 2007 9:09 am
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Here they are. I e-mailed John Coop about this post an hour ago. I hope he puts in his thoughts.
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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