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Topic: playing dobro while standing? |
Terry Sneed
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Posted 1 Jan 2007 3:03 pm |
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I'm having a problem keeping the headstock end of my dobro steady when playing while standing up. Right now I'm just using
a guitar strap with a shoestring tied to the headstock for a strap. Will a wider strap, with a wider/heavier strap around the headstock help with this? If so, what is a good leather strap ya'll could recomend, and I don't mean the one that Elderly has for $140 
Can I buy a good strap for under $50?
BTW- I'm enjoying this dobro playing, even more than I thought
I would 
Terry
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Bruce Etter
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Columbus, Georgia
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Posted 1 Jan 2007 3:25 pm Dobro Strap
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Terry:
I also am a beginner with the resonator. Here is a link to a website where I bought my strap. I am happy with this strap and especially the price.
Here's the link:
http://www.dcmusicstore.com/Guitar-Dobro-strap-PM1
Hope this helps!
Bruce |
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Mike Selecky
From:
BrookPark, Ohio
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Larry Robbins
From:
Fort Edward, New York
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Posted 1 Jan 2007 4:29 pm
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Hi Terry,
I like these.
Beard strap. |
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George Macdonald
From:
Vancouver Island BC Canada
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Posted 1 Jan 2007 4:43 pm Dobro strap
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| Terry, I just bought a really nice all leather Dobro strap from "Sulleys Straps" from Pat Sullivan's web site. They are under $50.00 and are first class. No buckles or other hardware to mark your guitar. He is great to deal with and will make the strap to the length you want with room for adjustment. Mine was shipped about two days after I ordered it. George |
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George Macdonald
From:
Vancouver Island BC Canada
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Posted 1 Jan 2007 4:52 pm Straps
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| Terry, Should have read: Sully's Straps. |
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Garry Vanderlinde
From:
CA
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Posted 1 Jan 2007 7:38 pm
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| A thicker strap might help a little, but you gotta keep the dobro steady with either one of your hands or a finger or two. Seems to depend on what style you play. A lot of bluegrassers can anchor the right hand on the cover plate because they use the left for muting. Those of us who mute with the right hand use the extra fingers of the bar hand on the nut or where ever possible. |
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Al Sato
From:
Texas Hill Country
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Posted 1 Jan 2007 8:08 pm Re: playing dobro while standing?
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| Terry Sneed wrote: |
I'm having a problem keeping the headstock end of my dobro steady when playing while standing up...
Terry |
Dobro playing, to me, requires the very best of straps because it is doggone difficult to play the beast when it's bucking around. There is one strapmaker who makes the very best of straps and I would not play my dobro live without one of his straps. Yes, they are expensive but so is your instrument and the strap is arguably a large part of your instrument. Bobby Poff makes the best dobro straps bar none. I've used almost every variation known to man and his straps make all the difference in the world.
http://www.rpoffmaker.com/
I would not play a live gig with a dobro without one of his straps. Honestly.
Al
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LARRY COLE
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LANCASTER, OHIO, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2007 6:07 am
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How are you holding it with the strap? I always thought you put your right arm over top of the strap then around the outside and under so the strap has a half twist around your right arm.
That seems to hold it in position for me.
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Terry Sneed
From:
Arkansas,
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Posted 2 Jan 2007 10:27 am strap
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Larry that's exactly what I do with my right arm, and it helps with the cone end of the dobro. But it's the other end at the keyhead that's trying to move around. I'll try a bigger strap, and I've been tinkering with trying to hold my pinky against the nut, or close to it as possible to help hold it more steady when playing.
Thanks to all.
Terry |
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Mark Eaton
From:
Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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Posted 2 Jan 2007 11:09 am
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I can't say that I have tried that many, and I have been using a Folk of the Wood dobro strap for the past few years, and though it isn't bad-it still kind've shifts around.
The state-of-the art strap nowadays is the Bobby Poff strap, and I have one which is on the way as a late Christmas present, should arrive any day.
The trouble with some of the dobro straps that I have tried, is that even with your right arm as an "anchor," they still shift around.
Bobby's straps simply stay put. It's one less thing to think about while you are playing. There is a reason that the top pros are using them. These straps seem to be in a class of their own. |
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George Redmon
From:
Muskegon & Detroit Michigan.
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Posted 2 Jan 2007 2:55 pm
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| I ain't much help, i can't play anything, or sing for that matter standing up..i loose my balance, and have just about gone over many times. My arthritis is so bad, i can't hardly stand right now. But i can sure relate to the problems you guys have with standing up playing dobro. I might suggest you take a long look at the iolder players, some even deceast like brother oswald and see how he held his dobro. And how cousin Jody could stand up and play that steel with just a rope is mind boggling.....George |
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Eddie Cunningham
From:
Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2007 6:20 pm Playing Dobro while standing ?
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| I have good luck just using an old , wide, rough worn leather belt with heavy boot shoe strings on the ends. Holds my old National metal Duolian in place O K !! No slippage !! And I loved the old sounds of Brother Oswald and Cousin Jody !! (& doesn't cost anything !!) |
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Chris Morrison
From:
Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2007 9:45 pm
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If you're playing bluegrass, your lefthand ring & pinky fingers (maybe middle too) would usually be trailing the bar as a "default mute" (Rob Ickes, Stacy Phillips DVDs, VHS', and SP's books) and headstock-subduer. Combine them with a light bar touch (one often _wants_ a little rattle in the sound), as much economy-of-bar-motion as possible, and the half-twist w/ right arm noted above, and a strap that doesn't slither around on your shoulders, (puff, puff, puff) ...for me, these go a long way to tame the headstock.
My strap is homebrewed from that classic Fender-style two-piece 2" leather guitar strap with the 2nd (1" wide) piece replaced by some 1" nylon webbing from the hardware store threaded in where the 2nd piece went, with a plastic quick-disconnect to fit the webbing at the bitter end. Adjusting buckles came with the disconnect, for length adjustment. The free half of the disconnect laces on to the headstock w/ soft shoelace.
The strap is rough leather on one side -- hangs right onto my shirt. I don't get along with cloth straps because they slither around. I trimmed away some of the leather width at the other end to make the half-twist more comfortable. HTH, Chris |
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Ron
From:
Hermiston, Oregon
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Posted 5 Jan 2007 6:53 am
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If you nailed the strap to your shoulder the peg head would still move if your shoulder moves. You will have to learn to not dance while playing!
Robro Ron
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John DeBoalt
From:
Harrisville New York USA
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Posted 6 Jan 2007 7:53 am Playing a Dobro standing up
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The Beard strap is the best one I've found. At the peg head there is a loop the strap fits through. The more pressure you apply the neck to the guitar , the tighter the pressure the strap applies to the head stock. In addition , there is a strap lock loop at the tail piece end to keep the strap from coming off the end pin. The guitar , for me at least, remains very stable when played standing up. There is also a release in the center of the strap if it needs to be seperated in the case.
John |
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Jim Bates
From:
Alvin, Texas, USA
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Posted 6 Jan 2007 11:00 am
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It sounds like you may some other problem than just a strap. My first Dobro had a fishing cord for a strap - one end tied around the headstock, other around end pin. Never had any of the problems you mention.
Try different lengths of strap, the height for your wrists should be close to what you have with your pedal steel. Try holding the guitar firmer with your right hand and arm so it will not tip. You can experiment by playing open string runs / rolls while letting your left arm dangle at your side. Try to do this until you can play without the guitar tipping. The left hand is for playing the holding the bar and playing, NOT holding the guitar.
Thanx,
Jim |
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David Trabue
From:
California, USA
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Posted 1 Apr 2007 1:57 pm
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I've never had that problem and I use a cheap 2" wide nylon strap. On the headstock end I use that little quick-detachable thingie (Planet Waves) which only has a 1/2" or less nylon strap going around the headstock. I think anchoring the instrument with the right hand through the strap does the trick for me.
Good luck!
Dave |
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Terry Sneed
From:
Arkansas,
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Posted 2 Apr 2007 1:46 pm strap
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| I've been using a strap from Long Hollow Leather with good results - reasonably priced too |
Mike, I bought myself a strap from Long Hollow and I like it a lot! It's a leather, 3" wide with a silver cross sewed into one end. Very nice lookin strap, and don't shift around to bad. under $50 to.
As far as the problem with holding my dobro steady, I bought myself a folding stool around 3' high. It's a lot easier to play sitting on the stool than trying to stand up and play. Besides, I can't stand up very long anyhow because of my aching back.
Terry
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1997 emmons legrande lll 8&5/ Nashville 112 with Fox chip mod LTD 400 / American Tele / John Jorgerson Takamine/ W/S Rob Ickes model dobro/
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Michael Hardee
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Posted 6 Aug 2007 11:05 pm
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No, you can't buy a good dobro strap for under $50. You get what you pay for. If you haven't used a Bobby Poff strap for dobro you don't know what you are missing. NO shifting, an absolutely stable playing surface. His newest strap uses a swivel to connect the beavertail end pin strap to the main body of the strap, you no longer need to twist the strap when connecting it to the end pin of your dobro. You simply forget you are wearing a strap and just play. What is that worth to you? Add a Schaller straplock and you have true state of the art. Sure, they are pricey, but it's a lifetime purchase: you can pay $175 for a plain leather strap or over $1000 for one of his highly decorated 'green dragon' straps. Every pro player I can think of owns at least one of Bobby's straps, they are that good.
http://www.rpoffmaker.com/ |
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Charley Wilder
From:
Dover, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2007 8:31 am
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Having trouble playing a Dobro standing up? Adapt! Someone brought up Cousin Jody and how about Josh Graves when Flatt & Scruggs used one mic? I'm old enough to remember him from that era. I can remember seeing him do two string slants way up by the string nut with the cone lifted up to the mic, Josh standing right up on his tiptoes. Try that for fun! Plus they were all bobbing and weaving around the mic. Josh never missed a note. Yes, times and equipment have changed but if it could be done then it can be done today. Adapt!  |
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Mark Eaton
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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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Posted 7 Aug 2007 8:56 am
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| If you're playing bluegrass, your lefthand ring & pinky fingers (maybe middle too) would usually be trailing the bar as a "default mute" (Rob Ickes, Stacy Phillips DVDs, VHS', and SP's books) and headstock-subduer. HTH, Chris |
It seems to me that it doesn't really matter what kind of music you are playing, those are always good techniques to employ...
I've had my strap from Bobby Poff of Wyoming for several months now, and as Michael Hardee wrote, if you haven't tried a Poff strap - then you don't know what you are missing!
The whole playing standing thing is like many other aspects of improving oneself on a musical instrument. If one stays diligent in their practice, the improvement will come.
Practice using at least a respectable quality strap, standing up, and after awhile you won't think twice about it.
Josh Graves and Cousin Jody from an historical aspect aside, there are still a number of groups whom practice the "one microphone" look, and utilize the choreography of moving back and forth from the mike for solos. Always fun to watch.
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Charley Wilder
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Dover, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2007 10:43 am
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| Good post Mark! You're much more the diplomat than I! It IS fun to watch a one mic presentation. But it's a bear to learn. I know from experience. As much as I like to watch it I hated learning to do it! It's difficult to get everybody to park their ego! |
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