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Topic: C Chord in C6 tuning |
Ted E. Smith
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Long Beach, California, USA
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Posted 22 Oct 2006 8:11 am |
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This may sound like a silly question, but I'm wondering where you play the C chord in C6? I know you can play open strings, but somehow that doesn't sound as good - can't use vibrato,etc.? So - do you go all the way up to 12th fret when playing C?
Ted Smith
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Edward Meisse
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Santa Rosa, California, USA
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Posted 22 Oct 2006 8:25 am
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| If you need a full C triad with no extras it's either the nut or the 12th fret. If you're using C6/A7 you get an extra C triad at the 3rd fret. It' sounds like what you really need is to explore some of the instructional material that is available all over the place these days. Dewitt Scott's nonpedal C6 book is an excellent place to start. It's available from Scotty's music online or from Elderly instruments online or most likely from many other places. I'll bet if you go to the catalogue section of the forum, you'll find it there as well. |
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Jesse Pearson
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San Diego , CA
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Posted 22 Oct 2006 8:38 am
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Ted, try this chord generator to find any chord voicing you need, scales too. I haven't figured out how to print it yet, so I write it out on blank tab paper I make. If anyone knows how to get the neck to print out, please let us know. Thanks...
http://www.looknohands.com/chordhouse/archives/guitar_advanced/ns4_ie5/index_rb.html [This message was edited by Jesse Pearson on 22 October 2006 at 09:40 AM.] |
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Ted E. Smith
From:
Long Beach, California, USA
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Posted 22 Oct 2006 9:41 am
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| Jesse, thanks for the link on the chord generator, that's pretty cool. I have recently started using the C6 / A7, so it's useful to have the major chord at the third fret. I guess my question was more an interest in where other people play the C chord (most often). |
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Jesse Pearson
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San Diego , CA
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Posted 22 Oct 2006 10:12 am
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| Your welcome Ted, Rick A. turned me on to this chord generator. I never really got the C6/A7 untill I played that "famous Hawaiian vamp" with it and then it started making more sense to me. I have that tabbed out on my thread for "I got rhythm" in the tabbed section. |
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John Bechtel
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Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 22 Oct 2006 9:20 pm
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If it's mainly for the purpose of providing a small amount of tremelo, you can play your (E) & (G) notes Open and place the tip of the bar on the (A)-str. at Fret #3 for the (C) & Tremelo! That's one purpose of the multi-neck steel!
Neck #3. E6 = A chord @ 5th.
Neck #2. C6 = E chord @ 4th.
Neck #1. A6 = C chord @ 3rd.
Kinda helps in covering all the bases, especially with less than 8 or 10-strings per neck!
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“Big John”
a.k.a. {Keoni Nui}
Current Equipment
[This message was edited by John Bechtel on 22 October 2006 at 10:22 PM.] [This message was edited by John Bechtel on 22 October 2006 at 10:25 PM.] |
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Terry Farmer
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Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 6:31 am
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| Here's another chord/scale generator that works great. There's a trial version and the full program costs around $12. You can have up to 12 strings in this one, and like the other one, you can input any tuning you want. I talked to the writer and he will be adding lap steel tunings to the instrument list in 2 or 3 weeks. Great program, great customer service! http://www.TonalAlchemy.com |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 7:09 am
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Ted, here's a C6/A7 tab for you.
Page 1
Page 2
Page 3
If you subscribe to the mag. you'll get tab like this in every issue. Subs Page
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[This message was edited by basilh on 23 October 2006 at 08:11 AM.] |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 7:42 am
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Ted, if you're using the 8-string "F major 9" version of C6, as many guys (like Bobbe) do...
F A C E G A C E (low to hi)
you'll get a full C6 at fret 7 on strings 8-7-6, or my favorite 8-6-3.
It's an FMaj9 chord if strummed or arpeggiated with the 8th string as the root tone.
If you're using the 6-string tuning, the other answers are correct. A full C anywhere other than open/f.12 would be a tricky slant.
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Herb's Steel Guitar Pages
Texas Steel Guitar Association
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Todd Weger
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Safety Harbor, FLAUSA
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 12:36 pm
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I dunno about y'all, but who needs the fifth? I mean, well, OK -- some days, I could use A fifth of something, but doing a forward slant on E string, 8th fret, and A string, 7th fret seems just as musical AND it's vibrato friendly. Or, if your bass player is playing the root, and you don't need it in the steel part, just play the third and fifth on strings 2&3 at the 7th fret.
Of course, there are other options, too, but these two I use often, when I don't want a major 7 or a 6 chord.
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Todd James Weger --
1956 Fender Stringmaster T-8 (C6, A6, B11); 1960 Fender Stringmaster D-8 (C6, B11/A6); Regal resonator (C6); 1938 Epiphone Electar (A6); assorted ukuleles; upright bass
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Stephan Miller
From:
Silver Spring, Maryland, USA
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 1:54 pm
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Ted, with the bar over the A, C and E strings on the 7th fret, you can get a full C triad by pulling the E string up a half step behind the bar with your LH ring finger-- thus bringing B up to C. Do this by hooking the ring finger on the far side of the string and pulling it toward you (and up a little if necessary to keep the string in contact with the bar). There are a couple ways to do this: one is to play the 3 strings and then make the pull as the lower two strings sustain, till the C major seventh sound resolves into the major triad (very pedal steely)... the other is to "pre-pull" up to C, then play the triad (this takes a bunch of practice).
This is a very "situational" technique...even if mastered, you wouldn't apply it every time you wanted a C chord. But for me it's a fun and useful thing to know about. For example, in that same position (A-C-E strings on fret 7), if you did the same half-step-pull-behind-the-bar to the middle string instead, you'd pull an E chord from minor to major.
All the other advice you've gotten is good, and probably less painful  to practice. But down the road, you might want to give string-pulling a shot-- using as a tune's tempo and style allows. [This message was edited by Stephan Miller on 23 October 2006 at 03:03 PM.] |
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Ted E. Smith
From:
Long Beach, California, USA
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 4:24 pm
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Wow - lots of great options here! Right now I'm using the C6 / A7, so I get the C triad over the third fret, and the twelfth, but I will definitely give these others a try.
Basil - thanks for the tab. I have not heard "On the Beach at Bali Bali" before. Do you know if it's available online somewhere?
Herb Steiner!! I was just listening to Wayne Hancock (Thunderstorms and Neon Signs) the other day. I love your playing on that album.
Thanks Everyone |
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 10:02 pm
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But, don't try bending any strings behind the bar on any of my guitars or you're in a heap of trouble boy!  This is the type of action, up with which; I will not put!
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“Big John”
a.k.a. {Keoni Nui}
Current Equipment
[This message was edited by John Bechtel on 23 October 2006 at 11:04 PM.] |
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Bob Stone
From:
Gainesville, FL, USA
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Posted 25 Oct 2006 1:26 pm
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Like Todd, I hang out around the 7th fret a lot when playing in C. The scale is easy to find there and the economy of motion is nice. While full chords can be nice, just two notes can strongly imply a chord.
You can also play the 3rd fret C note on the A string and give it vibrato while playing other C chord notes on the open strings. Or play that 3rd fret C note in unison with the open 2nd string--a technique often used by fiddlers. |
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Edward Meisse
From:
Santa Rosa, California, USA
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Posted 25 Oct 2006 2:38 pm
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| Please excuse my ignorance, Big John, but your comments above seem to imply that behind the bar string pulling can damage equipment. Do you believe that it does? If so, why? Or were you joking? Great pictures, btw. |
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Harry Dietrich
From:
Robesonia, Pennsylvania, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 25 Oct 2006 3:35 pm
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I'm also curious about your statement about string bends behind the bar, Big John?
What damage does that do? As near as I can tell, all it does is streches the string just like the pedals do on a pedal steel...just on a different plane.
Please explain...thanks.
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Edward Meisse
From:
Santa Rosa, California, USA
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Posted 31 Oct 2006 7:32 pm
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We want John......We want John.......  |
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