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Topic: Where to put the PF pedal |
Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 7 Jul 2007 6:38 pm |
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I am in a quandary here. Where do I put the dang thing?
Does it go in the 1 spot or the 4 spot?
Do I put it on a knee lever?
Is it no big deal, so I leave it out altogether?
I need some guidance as to if and where to put this strange change.
I have to start thinking about this because my project is advancing, albeit rather slowly, but still advancing.
Also, I do not have a clue about this change since I am from the 1970's-1980's era. Any tidbits of advice (as to uses of the PF change) would be greatly appreciated.
I have included a poll for your opinions.
Thank You all!
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 7 Jul 2007 6:52 pm
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| Bent, you sound new to the Forum. Use the search option. There is tons of material in the data base on the PF pedal. The #1 pedal is a popular spot for that change. |
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Bent Romnes
From:
London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 7 Jul 2007 7:12 pm
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Kevin, I am about 6 months into this forum. Maybe that's new..I don't know. The database is so extensive, and opinions are varied enough, that I felt justified in posing the question for new opinions.
Your opinion as to the #1 spot for the PF is appreciated. However, I have read where players take the #1 C6th pedal and let the PF change have it.
This is why I included the poll...in order to get a quick idea from a wide variety of players.
Right now, that sounds the most natural to me. Since I am of the school of the Emmons setup and expect my AB pedals to be in the 1&2 spots as opposed to 2&3 spots.
Thanks for your input Kevin.
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Stan Paxton
From:
1/2 & 1/2 Florida and Tenn, USA (old Missouri boy gone South)
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Posted 7 Jul 2007 7:37 pm
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Bent, I'm new at this Franklin pedal change myself, so not much good with advice. However, I put it on the #4 spot, (Emmons set up)since I was told there are good uses for it in combination with the E lower lever, which is LKR on my guitar. That way it is much easier to swing the foot to the Right over to #4 and knee to the Right, rather than foot to the Left to #1 and the knee to the Right. That make sense? Franklin change doesn't seem to work in combination with ABC pedals. Maybe some of the good players will chime in with some better explanations 
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Bent Romnes
From:
London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 7 Jul 2007 7:54 pm
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Stan,
That could make sense to me, out from the standpoint of the Eb LKR and the relation to the PF pedal.
Thanks for your input Stan.
I can' t see the poll thingy. Is it working?
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Randy Sevearance
From:
Crouse, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 7 Jul 2007 8:20 pm pf pedal
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Bent I've had a pf pedal a pretty long time I've come to beleive that emmons set up in the 0 pos.is easy for me and day set up #4 pos. fits better its really a persons dicision and comfort too! just my 2 cts. worth It's just easier to move over to left or right from your A&B pos. when moving just one pedal instead of 3 hope this helps Randy  |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 8 Jul 2007 1:01 am
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So much for a quorum.
I have had the PF Pedal at #4, and now have it at the 0 position to the left of the A Pedal.Two different Guitars by the way, but both Carters.
For my tastes the most common use for me, is to swap phrases between AB and Ped 4(0 Pos) so I find it much more functional to the left of the A Ped in it's own 0 PED position. I don't have to cross over the C Pedal to get there and back. By the way it's no problem with any knee lever, sure it may feel a tad different from the common AB position with a knee lever, but the whole stinkin' Instrument feels strange when you are working out new phrases and positions !
there's no right or wrong.
good luck
tp
Last edited by Tony Prior on 9 Jul 2007 3:10 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Paddy Long
From:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 8 Jul 2007 5:51 pm
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Something to consider if you are putting it on a guitar that has the standard E9th pedals in position 123 as far left as possible -- if you decide on position "0" then you have to move everything else 1 position to the right which may mean your left knee lever cluster could now be a bit west of where it needs to be !! What I did was put it at positon 4, and moved my existing C6th setup one position to the right, adding a 9th pedal to accommodate my setup. That way the 4th pedal only had the E9th pulls on it.
Of course if your ordering a new guitar it's not a problem. |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 9 Jul 2007 12:25 am
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when i ordered my Zum i had the PF pedal in the 0 position
i found it uncomfortable there for the same reason that Paddy mentions
my left knee levers had to be moved over to the right some if i wanted it to stay in 0
i did'nt -
i really did'nt like having pedals A & B moved over to the right
so i moved my PF pedal over to position 4
& that's where it's been since
there is interplay between the whole tone raise w: pedal A & the PF whole tone lower
so jumpin' from A to 4 & back takes gettin' used too
i would suggest havin' 2 steels like Tony & tryin' each configuration so as to study the phenomena
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 9 Jul 2007 3:07 am
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My current Steel is a Carter 9+8 with the PF ped at POS 0, the Steel was built by John and Bud in this configuration, there is NO problem whatsoever with the two left E knee levers.
My previous Carter was also a 9+8 with the PF ped at pos 4, the AB peds were moved to the left. The left E levers were out of sorts with the AB peds a tad but it was not a problem, and it's not a problem for the new owner either.
The main reason I like the PF ped out at 0 pos is for the interaction with the AB peds,I didn't like crossing the C pedal to get to it.
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Bent Romnes
From:
London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 11 Jul 2007 6:47 am
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Thanks for your input....all 7 of you. Plus the one email I got on the subject. Right now I am set on putting the pedal in the 0 spot..it seems this is the most common way to do it. But the email was also very interesting. The player has the PF as the usual pedal, plus he splits the change between a pedal and a knee lever!
Interesting indeed...but maybe too confusing for this oldienubie? We shall see, and I will be sure to let you know when I finish my building project.
Regards,
Bent |
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Mike Archer
From:
church hill tn
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Posted 12 Jul 2007 1:12 pm PF on change
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mines on pedal #4 i dont use that pedal
on my c6 anymore and it works well with
knees there for me
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Fred Glave
From:
McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 12 Jul 2007 1:58 pm
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| I've got 3 open spaces for more pedals, but they would be to the right of pedal 8 on my U12. from what everyone says, that's a poor choice for the location. I guess that option is out for me, unless I did a major shift of all of the pedals down one spot over to make room in the 0 pedal position. |
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Stephen Gambrell
From:
Over there
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Posted 12 Jul 2007 9:03 pm
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| Mine's in the #4 spot, but I lower the 6th string with RKL. I think Tommy White does it this way, too. |
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Roger Crawford
From:
Griffin, GA USA
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Posted 13 Jul 2007 8:19 am
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| Where does PF have the PF ? |
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Bent Romnes
From:
London,Ontario, Canada
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Posted 13 Jul 2007 2:44 pm
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| Roger, #4 ped |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 14 Jul 2007 6:36 am
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| I tried it in 0 position but then moved it to number 4. Pretty much for the same reasons as CrowBear. I have been used to the 1st pedal being the A pedal that I just couldn't get used to the change. Besides, I just put the Franklin pedal on my guitar for giggles anyway. |
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 14 Jul 2007 10:07 pm
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I had my D-10 Derby (8 & 7) assembled with the first pedal position empty, because; I'm more comfortable w/o a pedal in that first-position! I also do not have the PF-change, but; I always figured if I wanted it, Paul would have already chosen what he felt was the best place for it! (#4)
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Ernie Pollock
From:
Mt Savage, Md USA
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Posted 15 Jul 2007 4:10 am I play the Melody??
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I have a question for you young fellers, I am also a picker from back a few years, I play alot of melody & many instrumental tunes, not necessarily all country tunes, you know, old pop music & stuff like that. I have been contemplating taking my 3rd pedal off & adding that PF pedal in its place. Heres my question, would that be a good idea for a melody player or is that more or less just a kind of trick lick type thing. I do have 6 pedals & 5 levers on my SD-10, & I do raise the 4th to F# on a lever. Any ideas, or opinions would be appreciated.
Ernie Pollock 
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 15 Jul 2007 5:46 am
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Ernie,
I'm kind of in your camp. I'm not much of a "lick" player and never found much use for the Franklin pedal when playing melody. |
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Ernie Pollock
From:
Mt Savage, Md USA
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Posted 16 Jul 2007 4:14 am Yeah!!
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Erv: yeah that is kind of scarry!! I have had a few steels pass through my little shop that had that pedal on there, I just kind of stepped around it & never could figure much out on it. If I put it on in place of my standard 3rd pedal, I guess I will just have to take the steel back to 'bed' with me for a couple of weeks & try & figure it out!! One thing about it, I can always change er back!!
Ernie 
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