| What Type of Cables do you use |
| Monster |
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3% |
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| George L's |
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87% |
[ 81 ] |
| middle of the road brand |
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9% |
[ 9 ] |
| cheapest you can find |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
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Topic: George L Cable Problem |
Joe Harwell
From:
"I've never been bad." ........ Many, LA
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Posted 15 Jun 2007 7:17 pm |
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Bill Lawrence is best buy if you want black.
Delivery time can vary.
GeorgeL right angle fancier than the Lawrence.
As is the "Strat" connector. But cost more.
I have both.
I use a set of cable cutting pliers designed for round data cable
that works perfectly on the .155 diameter.
The curvature of the cable is maintained.
A little pricey,25.00 or so, but will last a life time and extremely sharp.
Also good for snipping tie wraps without damage to wire bundles.
Most problems I've observed with either brand
was under-tightening or over-tightening the set screw.
Lawrence uses a hex head set. GeorgeL uses conventional screw head.
Under torque equals open ground.
Over torque equals short.
Not a gimmick. Sound engineering.
Go to Bill Lawrence's website. He has a very good read on the subject.
Very informative and educational.
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Joe in LA
"How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, and tolerant of the weak & the strong; because, someday in life you will have been all of these". |
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 15 Jun 2007 11:12 pm
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Well, all I can say is the angle crimp guards fall off and don't hold anything tight in my experience - the straight ones are better I guess, but still not all that effective. I never had a problem without them, so that may color my thinking.
Pricewise (Jim, I don't want to undermine you, but this is reality) I can get straight or angled ends for $4.00-4.50 (depending on the salesman) at GC, and cable is $.67/ft. They don't usually sell the guards, but I've never paid more than 75 cents each for them when I have bought them. Without the guards, that's under $9 for a 10 footer, which blows the price on a Monster...or even a house brand, usually...out of the water.
Edited to add -
I'll leave the evidence of my being victimized by "new math" in the 7th grade. When it comes to math, I can usually prove my past as an English major pretty darned quickly. Make that $15 (and I won't even swear to that - when my twelve year old wakes up I'll have him check...) for a 10 footer - still a great price, especially for the quality cable you get.
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David Mason
From:
Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2007 1:57 am
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| folks used to paying roughly a buck a foot for cables get their hair straightened when they find the list price is in the neighborhood of $6/end, $1.50/crimp guard, and $1.25/ft making a 10 footer about $27.50. |
Actually, George L's plugs are $7 a piece these days, at least according to their website:
http://www.georgels.com/
This discussion inspired me to check out the cable zeitgeist - I have been in the soldering trenches for 30-some years now, and I am so, so very tired.... Bill Lawrence will sell you 50 feet of cable plus 10 ends for $48.00 + $5.50 shipping:
http://www.billlawrence.com/Pages/Connector_Cable.htm
Since "George L" was an employee of Bill who learned everything he knows about pickups and cables from Bill anyway, my decision was easy enough - 50 feet of cable from George L's for $62.50 + 10 ends for $70.00 = $132.50, vs. $55.50?
(Bill's not mad about it by the way, he owns so many patents on pickup manufacturing processes that he makes a few cents off of practically every guitar made in the world these days, plus his designing all the new Fenders, plus residuals from Gibson, plus selling & wiring pickup innerds for big stars who have endorsement contracts with lesser pickup manufacturers, plus plus plus.... he genuinely seems more interested in helping musicians play music, than in a spot of the Fortune 500 list.) |
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Marlin Smoot
From:
Kansas
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Posted 16 Jun 2007 2:30 am
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I use Monster Cables; didn't know they had a big marketing program.
In the music store, I was going to buy what I thought was a good cheap ($10) cable and the salesman asked me to try the Monster Rock cable and after doing an A/B test the Monster was much better in sound quality. It did cost more but I purchased a couple of them. I also purchased several Planetwaves cables too. I've never tried the George L's but I'm sure I will, I know a lot of people like them too.
I guess the laughing can continue now... but I think the message is; use a good quality cable. |
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2007 7:28 am
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Monster has a huge marketing budget - evey major music magazine has full-page ades aften, sometimes multiple ads in the same issue. I probably get 2-3 mailers a month from them from past NAMM registrations. Also their packaging isn't cheap - and you "buy" that with the cable.
And with all that comes a high....really high...price for cables that receive inconsistent results in tests. And players swear by them because of the hype. OTOH, you see small George L ads and the "hype" seems to come from word-of-mouth and test results.
FWIW even the George L folks told me if I didn't need parts right away not to buy them at list price at NAMM. Nobody I know of sells them at list - like almost all other accessories in the music industry, "street price" is about 30% off the manufacturer's price list (strings are almost always 50% off "list").
It's really as bad as car buying - "sticker" on a mass-market music product means nothing.
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No chops, but great tone
1930's/40's Rickenbacher/Rickenbacker 6&8 string lap steels
1921 Weissenborn Style 2; Hilo&Schireson hollownecks
Appalachian, Regal & Dobro squarenecks
1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional |
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Todd Herring
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 17 Jun 2007 3:26 pm Cable Decision
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Well after messing around with the angle plugs on the george l's and no local availability to purchase more, I went with mogami for all my cords, compared to the price of the George L's it wasnt much more. I use mogami in my studio and there great. If they go bad, which has never happened, just take it to the store and they exchange it.
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Fesseden E9th
Hilton Optical Volume Pedal
Peavey Nashville 1000
Pod XT with foot control
Peterson Strobe Flip
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http://www.actionrecordingstudio.com/toddbio.html |
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Paddy Long
From:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 17 Jun 2007 4:22 pm
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| Another little tool that George L sells is the cable tester ...this is an invaluable asset for quickly checking your cables and is very compact -- all you need is the tester and a screw driver ! |
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