C6 Neck

Joe Drivdahl · From: Montana, USA

Now that I have the C6 neck I wanted... What do I do with it? This may have been a big mistake. Be careful what you wish for. I have it in tune open I guess. I don't really understand why there would be a 'D' note in a C6 chord, but whatever. I guess I thought it would be tuned CEGACEGACE or something similar. I got my hands full with this thing.

Does anyone have any suggestions for starting out on the C6 neck?

Joe
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Bob Hickish · From: Port Ludlow, Washington, USA, R.I.P.

Joe

If your a E9th player - I assume you are - have your ever
played the B6th side of you E9th ? - Lowering the E ( 4 & 8 ) to D#

If you approach your C6th neck with that in mind , you should be
able to see the pattern , look for some non-ped tabs for C6th
and try it . that should get you going , then add the pedals later .

I play mostly Non-ped , If I use my D 10 on a gig I will play peds on
the E9th but always just straight Steel on the C6th neck .
Hope this is some help .
Hick

Joe Drivdahl · From: Montana, USA

Yeah Bob,
I have used the E-Eb move to emulate the C6 sound which is actually what made me think I could handle a real C6 neck, but whew! Its a new animal. I will give the no ped deal a try and see how it goes. I have a feeling the C6 neck will require much more bar movement than I am used to.

Thanks,
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Brint Hannay · From: Maryland, USA

Dan Beller-McKenna · From: Durham, New Hampshire, USA

Joe,

I just started down the C6 road last week and I have a few million miles to go before it starts feeling natural. I picked up Buddy Emmons' basic C6th course from here on the forum, and it seems like a reasonable and good place to start.

Going from playing "B6" on the E9 neck to playing the C6 neck is kind of like walking around your house blindfolded after someone has moved all the furniture around: I keep thinking I can feel what to do next and then ... splat!! Ewwwwww!! What was that awful sound I just made?!?!? Kind of like tripping over the couch that shouldn't be there.

Cartwright Thompson has kindly offerd to give me a crash course lesson on C6 next week (thanks Carty!). He has strongly urged me to use a finger pick on my ring finger and I'm giving it a go. Feels like a third shoe tied around my ankle, but I suppose I can get use to it.

Good luck!

Dan
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Roger Miller · From: Cedar Falls, Ia.

I think it would be benificial to start on a non-pedal 8 string C6 just to get adjusted to the notes. I myself am not much of a steeler, but I think my double 8 sure was a great start.

Joe Drivdahl · From: Montana, USA

Brint,
Yeah I thought the F was a bit out of place too but at least it made sense so you could have the fourth chord at the current bar position. But the D seemed out of place to me.

Dan,
I like your analogy. I feel the same way... in familiar territory in one respect but yet not at the same time. Its weird.

I was considering the Basic C6 course. Might be a good idea, but I was hoping there were some easy tabs on the net that someone could point me to.

Thanks,
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Michael Dene · From: Gippsland,Victoria, Australia

Joe,

lots of good stuff here to help get you started ...

http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum8/HTML/001192.html

Very Happy

Dan Beller-McKenna · From: Durham, New Hampshire, USA

Al Marcus · From: Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)

Joe-What Bob said abut , on your E9 when you lower your E's to D# , that puts you in B6 mode. But then on the bottom neck you are tuned C6. Confusing. Why not drop your C6 tuning to B6 then you will immediately be more familiar with it as it RELATES to the E's lowered on E9. Even if you tune the C6 to A6 , it would be more familiar, as pedals down on E9 is A6.
I use E6 on the bottom neck so the Bar positions are the same as E9 and lot of chords are too.
But when you get whatever your setup you want, Stick to it and learn it.Good Luck....al. Smile

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Ernest Cawby · From: Lake City, Florida, USA, R.I.P.

Get Jeff Newmans course on C6 workshop you will play a lot of C6 in 1 week of study. It sure helps me, also C6 and swinging.

ernie

Mike Archer · From: church hill tn

get buddy emmons basic c6 right here
in the forum instruction section
its great and easy to understand
you wont be sorry as of myself
trust me as both a player and a teacher
it will help you
mike Very Happy

Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

Bob Hickish · From: Port Ludlow, Washington, USA, R.I.P.

Joe

here is a tune tab'd by Forum member Roy Tompson -

http://users.interlinks.net/rebel/steel/boot.html
This is a 6 string tab ! The pattern is the same , just find
these 6 string on your C6th & E9th and have fun .

You can play this on you E9th ( E's lowered ) as well as the C6th -- if you just play
the pattern at first and don't worry about the Key . it might help you
get the feel .

I'm with Donny , on the D
I don't use the D on top either ( Or anywhere on c6h )

Here is Ricky Davis's Rebel site there is lots of stuff there as well

http://users.interlinks.net/rebel/steel/non-pedal.html

Erv Niehaus · From: Litchfield, MN, USA

Herby Wallace has a couple of excellent courses out on C6th and don't forget our good buddy, Herb Steiner. He has some great C6th stuff also.

Andy Sandoval · From: Bakersfield, California, USA

Joe, Greg Cutshaw's awesome website has 7 pages of C6 and E9 tabs with audio that should get you started. http://www.gregcutshaw.com/

Joe Drivdahl · From: Montana, USA

Thanks Guys!
There's a lot of helpful information here. I will check it all out.

Joe
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Parr Bryan · From: Nacogdoches,Texas

Hey Joe,
I started on C6 2 years ago. My suggests, based on only my experience:

1. Tune that thing down a fret to B6 like Mr.Marcus said. Now you have many of your strings on the B6 neck the same notes as the E9 with the e's lower!!!!

2. Learn to play a scale without pedals.
OK, the D scale starts on 3rd fret with strings 7,6,5,4 (IF memory serves me, I'm not near my steel)

Then 8th fret same strings (I think, you will hear if it's wrong and if wrong then grab the next group up or down, i.e., 6,5,4,3, or 8,7,6,5,)

Then 10th with same group as on 8.

Then back to 8 with next group up, 6,5,4,3,.

Then 10 with same group.

Then 8th with next group up, 5,4,3,2

Then 10th with same group.

Then 15th with 6,5,4,3 to finish.

Now you can play a scale which contains most of the notes of a melody. So pick out songs like Faded Love ect. to play. You will move the bar alot but man you will be playin that 6th sound quick.

Jeff Newmans C6 Basics is a great next step. It has the CD or tape to play with. What fun. Good Luck.

David Doggett · Posted 24 May 2007 8:16 am

Here are some things that helped me get started.

Start off playing it like a lap steel and don't try to use any pedals or levers. Be aware that the relative minor chord is also the IVmaj7 chord (without the root).

After you are comfortable with that, start using pedal 6 (gives a IV9) pretty much the way you would use the AB combination on E9.

After awhile, try using string 9 as the root, which makes it an Fmaj7,9 neck. That's what that pesky F string is there for. This mode is one of the secrets to using this neck impressively for modern jazz, bosa nova, etc.

When you are comfortable with all that, buy some lessons to learn what to do with the rest of the pedals and levers.

One final insight, many of the chords on the 6th neck (6th, 7th, maj7th, dim., aug., etc.) are "movable chords" in jazz. That means you can frequently use the same grip on the same strings to follow a phrase or melody - you don't always have to worry about changing the grip and pedal combination to harmonize with the phrase or melody the way you do on E9. This means you move the bar around alot and follow pharases and melodies with the bar more than by grip and pedal changes. It also means there are fewer "wrong" strings to skip over. Adjacent-string triads and quadrades almost always work. Once you get used to this, you will see that the 6th neck is actually easier to play than the E9 neck, up to a point.

Jim Harper · From: Comanche, Oklahoma, USA * R.I.P.

I use a G for the 1st string. Tryed a D and sure didn,t like it with my pedal set up.I tune G_E_C_A_G_E_C_A_F_C.Pedal 4 lower,s my 2nd and raise,s my 6th,pedal 6 raise,s my 2nd and lower,s my 6th. I use those 2 pedal,s a lot with western swing==Jim Harper

Parr Bryan · From: Nacogdoches,Texas

I need to correct myself on that scale.

The first part on 3rd fret is strings 6,5,4,3,
Then 8th fret with 7,6,5,4,

The rest is correct. Good Luck.

Alan Brookes · From: Brummy living in Southern California

John Bechtel · From: Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.

You were wondering about the (*F) and the (*D) on the C6th neck. Apparently you are looking for a complete strum across all 10-strings! You can do that by engaging [P–6*], which gives you a strumable F9/13 Chord: C~(*F)~A~C~[Eb*]~G~A~C~[F*]~(*D)
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Buck Dilly · From: Branchville, NJ, USA * R.I.P.

I urge you to find a local teacher. There is no substitute for this. While he helps you with the new neck he may also help you with your technique. The Emmons basic C6 was helpful to me.

Jerry Roller · From: Van Buren, Arkansas USA

Joe, I have the D for the 1st string and much prefer it to having a G. It has the same purpose as having an F# as the 1st string on the E9th tuning. I would suggest to you that you become familiar with the C6th tuning just strings 2 thru 7 and see the relationship of those strings with strings 3 thru 8 on E9th, then work with the 5th pedal (or the pedal that raises the 2nd string a 1/2 tone and lowers the 6th a 1/2 tone). Note that this pedal gives you a 4 chord similiar to engaging A and B pedals on E9th and at this point you can include any or all of strings 8 thru 10 in the 4 chord. Move up 2 frets and you have the 5 chord. When this starts making sense try playing the 1 chord, then pick the 1st string and see how it works like the 1st string on E9th. Now engage the 5th pedal, then follow with the 1st string and see how it works with the 4 chord, then check out the 5 chord as stated above and then play the 1st string. In time you will find that the D on top is very valuable in single string riffs. After you have a handle on the above, you are are ready to check out the 6th pedal. Note that you play the 1 chord on strings 2 thru 7, then engage the 6th pedal and you now have a 2 chord. Finally, I would check out playing pedals 5 and 6 together and you have a diminished chord which is so useful. Try this progression, play an F chord strings 2 thru 6 on the 5th fret, then engage the 6th pedal and you have a 2 chord, now move up to the 7th fret and engage pedals 5 and 6, now move to the 4th fret with pedals 5 and 6 engaged and then back home to the 5th fret ending up on strings 3 thru 6. One final thing, work on a grip of strings 3, 5 and 8 and a grip of strings 4,6 and 9. Try working with these at the 12th fret for an F chord. I hope this much too lengthy post helps. Give me an email if you need more help.
Jerry

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