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Topic: "Sho-Bud" Fender? |
Doug Beaumier
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Northampton, MA
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Micky Byrne
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United Kingdom (deceased)
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Posted 20 May 2007 11:37 pm Re: "Sho-Bud" Fender? |
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Hi Doug, that seems to be original. There were many D-10's imported to the Sho-Bud shop in London in the late 70's that I had seen over here. That shop no longer exist. I believe those Fender 'Buds, were made with the breakable "pot metal" parts like the later Sho-Buds.
Micky Byrne United Kingdom www.mickybyrne.com |
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Doug Beaumier
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Northampton, MA
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 21 May 2007 12:55 am
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| Doug, the nylon end-plate tuners actually made their debut way back in the '60s. Even by the early '70s, they were the standard on a lot of guitars. |
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Skip Edwards
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LA,CA
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Posted 21 May 2007 1:10 am
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Looks original to me. They also came in another finish....
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Dave Todd
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Jonestown, Tx.
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Posted 21 May 2007 5:57 am
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| Would that be the Super-Pro? There's one on eBay currently. |
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Bill Hatcher
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Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 21 May 2007 6:35 am
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Don't think so.
These are instruments that ShoBud contracted to make for Fender. They have the pan type tuner and a mix of Fender/Shobud details. |
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 21 May 2007 6:54 am
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| I don't recall the ones made by Sho-Bud for Fender having the Sho-Bud name (decal) on the guitar, like the one pictured. |
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 21 May 2007 6:56 am
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Doug Beaumier
From:
Northampton, MA
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Bob Hickish
From:
Port Ludlow, Washington, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 21 May 2007 10:23 am
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Doug
I'v had the S10 Sho-Bud Fender sense the early 70's , Its the student
model , but I have used it a test bed as well as used it on a
gig . I can remember only one time it broke a 3rd string .
it was very easy to modify to a 3+4 , stays in tune - a little
stiff in operation - but a grate Guitar .
I'm sure the one your talking about is a good machine & if
I had need for another Steel I would sure consider that one .
Hick
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Emmett Roch
From:
Texas Hill Country
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Posted 21 May 2007 5:16 pm
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I have one that looks just like it. I first saw one around '72 or so.
Underneath, they have the same pot-metal intestines as what became the Super Pro.
The changer is a knife-edge design, sort of like having a Stratocaster tremolo with double raise/double lower capacity for each string. 
According to Herb Steiner (from whom I got mine) Sho-Bud's David Jackson built a number of these guitars for Fender. Apparently they never got really popular, but I love mine.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 21 May 2007 6:27 pm
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 21 May 2007 8:43 pm
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I believe these were called the "Artist Pro", and came in S-10 (3+4) and D-10 (8+4) versions, black and mahogany/brown lacquer. There was also the black 3+1 student model, but that was in a different class than the Artist Pro.
Here is a bit of relevant literature on the subject, from the unofficial Sho~Bud website (emphasis added by me):
FENDER/SHO-BUD
In the early 1970's the Fender Guitar Company contracted Sho-Bud to produce a Fender/Sho-Bud pedal steel. This model and the Super Pro were very similar in design except for the body and the key head. The undercarriage was basically the same as used on the future Super Pro. These Fender/Sho-Bud pedal steels had the ash tray Fender style keyhead. The changer used was a triple raise-double lower, and was similar to the Super Pro changer. Other then the changer and undercarriage, this model had a look that was different then the regular Sho-Buds.
SUPER PRO
In 1977, the Super Pro was introduced. It was standard as a double wood or metal neck, with 8 pedals and 6 knee levers. This model and the Fender/ShoBud was very similar in design except for the body and the key head. The Super Pro had a streamlined-smaller and thinner body design then the Sho-Bud models of the past. Also, the undercarriage pretty much the same as the Fender/Sho-Bud model, was very different then the past Sho-Bud models. The cross rods on the past models were round. On the Super Pro they were hex shaped. The bell cranks and pedal rods were also of a new design. Small metal tuning rod clips were used to hold the tuning rods onto the bell crank. The floor pedals on the Super Pro were small narrow pedals that had a very different look then the past wide pedal design. The knee lever design changed as well, to a straight narrow lever. The tuning key head was square and blunt on the end instead of the old standard tear drop key head of the past. Clearly, Sho-Bud had a new pedal steel.
The guitar in Doug's post is all original. I recall Bobbe Seymour saying that Sho~Bud made a big batch of these guitars in 1976. I recently played a mahogany lacquer S-10 version of this guitar, original with 3+4. The Superpro undercarriage was oxidized badly. It sounded pretty good, but it felt a bit cheap. It was very light, lighter than a Pro 1. The pickup sounded cool, very Fenderish.
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Robert Harper
From:
Alabama, USA
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Posted 21 May 2007 11:01 pm Fender Steel
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| I have the twin of the on in the picture. I was going to take a picture and post it, but my camera won't work and I am too cheap to by a new one. Thanks for the info. mine has what I believe to be a serial number of 533. However it my not be the serial number and I may not have it correct. It plays good. However since this is really the only one I have ever picked. I can't compare it to anything else. It would play better, if it had a better player. I have thought about buying a new one but I have had this one and my Peavy bandit for over 20 short years. If I thought I could play better I would definetly buy and new one. I looked into buying an Emmons, but the sales guy told the truth. Just because it is an Emmons doesn't mean you will sound like Emmons and He didn't leave any of his licks or style in any of his guitars. So I just keep pickin what I have. |
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J Fletcher
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London,Ont,Canada
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Posted 22 May 2007 3:56 am
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| I have one of the black D10's, like in the picture. Pickups are wound to about 11k ohms, and it has a bright Fendery sound. Mine has a Sho~Bud decal on the pedal board. Serial # 005....Jerry |
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Nick Reed
From:
Russellville, KY USA
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Posted 22 May 2007 4:06 am
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Doug,
I once owned this S-10 Fender/Sho-Bud (pro-model) which was made around 1975 or '76. It played great, but had that twangy Fender sound like the 400 & 800 cable models. . . . unlike other Steels made by Emmons, Sho-Bud, Mullen, MSA, etc. To me it just didn't sound commercial so I traded it off for a Sho-Bud Pro-1 I still have. Boy if I'd only known then how rare these guitars would be today I would have never sold it. To me, that's the one that GOT AWAY!
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 22 May 2007 4:52 am
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I've heard the Artist models did have a Fender cable-guitar sort of sound, and fill unique niche.
I had one of the student models, though, in my first abortive attempt at pedal steel about 10 years ago. It was a Maverick with a pan keyhead - the ONLY cool thing was the pickup, which was (I believe) the same one used on the better models. So it had a cool, unique tone but was a terrible guitar - wouldn't stay in tune, flimsy, fixed legs and a non-expandable mechanism. I took mine to Blackie Taylor to check into longer legs (so I could fit under it - it was too short fro me at 6'4") and adding knee levers and he just laughed and tried to sell me something else...
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Chris LeDrew
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Canada
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Posted 22 May 2007 5:15 am
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Nick,
That's the twin of the one I played...........could be the same one. Did your guitar end up in Ontario?
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Emmett Roch
From:
Texas Hill Country
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Posted 22 May 2007 9:47 am
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Big, rectangular, and Fenderish-sounding.
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 22 May 2007 2:32 pm
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| Thanks. Emmett. Luckily, Jim already answered my question. I thought the pups might have been more ShoBud than Fender. They don't really look at all like a Fender pup. |
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Emmett Roch
From:
Texas Hill Country
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Posted 22 May 2007 5:56 pm
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Actually, they look similar (but not identical) to the pup on a Fender 400 I had, except for the screws at each corner. My guitar has a trace of that wonderful Sho-Bud sound, but with more highs.
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John Billings
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 22 May 2007 6:02 pm
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| Emmett, that's the kind of info I was lookin' for! |
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Eddie D.Bollinger
From:
Calhoun City, Mississippi
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Posted 22 May 2007 6:04 pm
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I had a S-10 "Student" that was black with the Fender
insignia on the front. I have wished 1000+ times that I had it back. It sounded bad but it was my
first "Tuneable" guitar. My first steel was actually
a "Little Buddy". On the bright side, I was so
horrible then that the guitar didn't really matter.
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Robert Harper
From:
Alabama, USA
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Posted 22 May 2007 7:31 pm Fender Guitar
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| I thought mine sounded bad, because I was the one playing. It really could be the guitar? |
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