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Howard Tate


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Leesville, Louisiana, USA, R.I.P.
Post  Posted 21 May 2006 11:40 am    
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In another thread there's some pictures of J.B. instruction book showing different tunings. I'm confused on this tuning, where is the 7th? I would think the C# on the sixth string would make a lowered 9th. As you can tell I'm new to lap steel.

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Jesse Pearson

 

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Post  Posted 21 May 2006 11:51 am    
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The bottom 4 open strings make A7. Here's some tab to mess around with to hear it:
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum8/HTML/001891.html

From the bottom up the intervals for A7 are:

A = root
G = b7
E = 5
C# = major 3rd

If you add the C string on the second string you get A7#9 (Jimi Hendrix Purple Haze chord). Great for blues funk vamps.

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Howard Tate


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Post  Posted 21 May 2006 12:54 pm    
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Thanks Jesse, I was thinking of C6 chord with a flat 7th, which I guess would make it a 13th. I did not look at it as an A. I'm not the smartest guy in town.

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basilh


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Post  Posted 21 May 2006 3:38 pm    
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Howard, a lot of the time the tuning is referred to as C6/A7, and maybe it has been misread along the timeline and someone took it to be C6 and "A" 7..
Although I do see that that was Jerry Byrd's given name for his tuning C6 + 7 .. Strange !! C6 + 7 should be C13th and the C# isn't in THAT chord, Maybe JB's definition and terminology were his 'Special" way of naming the tuning.
It is quite useful as the five-seventh chord is obtained two frets down omitting the second string
IMHO

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Howard Tate


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Leesville, Louisiana, USA, R.I.P.
Post  Posted 21 May 2006 8:20 pm    
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I apreciate the explanations, and I will try it on my little Artisan. Can't wait to get a decent lap, but I've spent so much on my new psg and amps I must wait a while.

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c c johnson

 

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Post  Posted 22 May 2006 2:17 am    
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Its 5;20 am and I might be wrong on this but I believe Jerry said he did not have the C# so much for the chord but to have a low C chord. I'm going back to bed. Oops, the child bride just screamed for a cup of coffee. All you other henpecked guys understand. You real men who control your women; please don't laugh to loud. CC
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c c johnson

 

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Post  Posted 22 May 2006 2:18 am    
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I meant to say a 7th chord. CC
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basilh


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Post  Posted 22 May 2006 6:27 am    
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So what he meant was C6 plus a seventh tuning combined ? and not specifying the actual 7th tuning name ?
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Doug Beaumier


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Northampton, MA
Post  Posted 22 May 2006 6:38 am    
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I'd be the last one to second guess JB... but calling this tuning C6 + 7 seems like a misnomer. C6/A7 makes more sense.
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Terry Farmer


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Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
Post  Posted 22 May 2006 6:58 am    
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Jesse,
I was taking beginning blues piano lessons one time and had to come up with a simple blues tune. I got to the turnaround and hit that V7#9. The teacher said what was that??? I replied "That's the Jimmie Hendrix chord. He loved it.
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Howard Tate


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Leesville, Louisiana, USA, R.I.P.
Post  Posted 22 May 2006 6:59 am    
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Yes, C6/A7 clears it up. Thanks, and those are good tips.

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Michael Johnstone


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Sylmar,Ca. USA
Post  Posted 23 May 2006 8:12 am    
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There is a "C6 plus 7" or C13 tuning spelled low to hi Bb,C,E,G,A,C,E,G. Barney Isaacs used it,as does Junior Brown on the steel neck of his Guit-steel. It's almost as versatile as the C6/A7 tuning. As soon as you have a tri-tone interval in there (as both these tunings do)it really opens up the chord possibilities to a whole nother level.
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Jeff Au Hoy


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Honolulu, Hawai'i
Post  Posted 23 May 2006 9:54 am    
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Terry I hope you didn't stay with that teacher long. A blues piano teacher that doesn't know the V7/#9 sound? Charlatan.
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Don Barnhardt

 

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North Carolina, USA
Post  Posted 24 May 2006 11:30 am    
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Thanks Michael Johnstone. I've been tuning my 8 stringer ACEGACEG and never could find a good use for that low A. I just tuned it to Bb and it really revved me up. I'm signing off to give it a good working over.


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