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Earnie Sumerall
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Oklahoma
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Posted 27 Feb 2007 6:53 am |
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| It takes approx. 1 hour to load a 2 to 3 minute video from Youtube. Is this normal?? If not, how can it be corrected?? |
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Jim Cohen
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Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 27 Feb 2007 7:45 am
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| Do you have dial-up internet service? If so, then yes, it's probably 'normal' and it can be corrected by having high-speed internet via DSL or cable. If you already have high-speed, then it's not normal and I don't know what the problem is. |
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Wiz Feinberg
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Posted 27 Feb 2007 10:28 am Re: Youtube
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| Earnie Sumerall wrote: |
| It takes approx. 1 hour to load a 2 to 3 minute video from Youtube. Is this normal?? If not, how can it be corrected?? |
Earnie;
Question: What type of connection do you have to the Internet?
If you are on DSL, is it the most basic speed package? Have your phone lines been tested lately, by the phone or DSL company? Long copper runs, or poor phone line connections, or repeaters in the line can slow down a DSL connection. Have you performed a speed test yet?
If you are on cable Internet, are you in a location that has many neighbors that also use the same cable Internet provider? Cable Internet is shared in each neighborhood, so if there are a lot of people downloading or uploading large files at the same time it will slow down the entire system. Perform a speed test at the time when YouTube is slow for you.
If you are on dial-up this is not going to be of any help, since video files are quite large. You'll have to accept that fact and wait for them to download before you can play them.
Dial-up connection rates do not automatically equate to your sustainable download bitrate, or "throughput." You might connect at 50,000 bps, but the phone line distance or conditions may bounce those signals around causing Block Errors (BLERS), which require the bad groups to be resent, slowing down the delivery of data. Often, if this is your problem you may see an improvement in download throughput by reducing your initial connection rate, to something more inline with your usable throughput. You can read more about this on my website, on my modems-101 webpage.
You can test your dialup, or medium speed DSL throughput on my Baudtest page, but please don't over-do it. My tests require Javascript to be enabled.
You can test high speed throughput by using the speed tests available at http://www.broadbandreports.com/tools . Note that they require Java Runtime support to perform their calculations. If you lack Java support you will be prompted to download the Java JRE Runtime plug-in, available from java.com.
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Jim Cohen
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Posted 27 Feb 2007 10:42 am
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See, that's what I said, only I did it in just 3 lines.  |
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Wiz Feinberg
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Earnie Sumerall
From:
Oklahoma
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Posted 27 Feb 2007 4:34 pm
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| Thanks for answering my question. I'm on DSL so I guess I will just have to be patient. |
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Jim Peters
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St. Louis, Missouri, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 27 Feb 2007 4:43 pm
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Earnie, that is not acceptable for DSL. You tube should play as it loads, no delay. Something else is wrong. Did you put the filters on your phones? JP
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Gary Boyett
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Colorado
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Posted 27 Feb 2007 5:06 pm
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I am on DSL and found that you must turn the DSL modem on and let it finish before you start the computer or else it is slow a molasses.
my 2 cents- 1.2 lines. |
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Wiz Feinberg
From:
Mid-Michigan, USA
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Posted 27 Feb 2007 5:57 pm
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| Earnie Sumerall wrote: |
| Thanks for answering my question. I'm on DSL so I guess I will just have to be patient. |
Earnie;
Please visit this website, run tests from a couple of different test locations, then post your average upload and download rates back here. You may have a problem with a connector loose in a jack, or in a DSL filter, or with the modem, or your phone lines.
It is also remotely possible that a hardware or software firewall is filtering that connection for some reason, slowing it down as it inspects the packets. Perhaps your browser is being fed via a proxy server, and all traffic is being re-routed through that (possibly foreign) proxy.
What browser is this happening with? Do you have another browser available yet? If so, does the problem occur with that browser also? If you haven't tried it yet, grab a copy of Firefox here, install it, import your bookmarks and cookies, visit YouTube, watch the video and see if it loads much faster. If so, let me know.
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Earnie Sumerall
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Oklahoma
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Posted 28 Feb 2007 2:38 pm
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1st Throughput was Download= 23.91 kbps
Upload = 50.89 kbps
2nd test-Download = 15.19 kbps
Upload = 66.66 kbps
I loaded Firefox and there seems to be a little improvement.
I was in error originally specifying DSL. I am on just Dial-Up. |
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Wiz Feinberg
From:
Mid-Michigan, USA
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Posted 28 Feb 2007 2:53 pm
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| Earnie Sumerall wrote: |
1st Throughput was Download= 23.91 kbps
Upload = 50.89 kbps
2nd test-Download = 15.19 kbps
Upload = 66.66 kbps
I loaded Firefox and there seems to be a little improvement.
I was in error originally specifying DSL. I am on just Dial-Up. |
Earnie;
Ok. Since you are on dial-up Internet access, using a modem, your choices are limited to either modifying your existing modem Init Strings, or replacing it with a better model that allows you to decide if Downloads should get more of the available bandwidth than uploads. Right now your uploads are much faster then your downloads and that is wrong (unless you do a lot of uploading of files). See if your modem comes with a configuration utility that allows you to use a virtual slider control to give more bandwidth to downloads. This would require a V92 modem. If yours is V90 or older it won't have that function. Most modems sold today are V92 and should contain the utility to shape the bandwidth to your preferences.
Your ISP may not support V92 Modem Protocols, in which case you are going to have to manually tweak the modem rates. This is complicated and may require expert assistance. 
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Earnie Sumerall
From:
Oklahoma
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Posted 28 Feb 2007 4:23 pm
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| Thanks Bob, I'll see if I can find a local guru that can work this out. I appreciate you help. |
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Dave Potter
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Texas
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Posted 28 Feb 2007 5:31 pm
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| Dialup is a dinosaur, and it imposes technical limits that simply make it impractical to attempt certain things that require high bandwidth. Larger downloads and streaming media are difficult to impossible with a dialup connection. The only remedy is paying for something faster. There's no other way to "fix" it. |
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Wiz Feinberg
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Mid-Michigan, USA
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Posted 28 Feb 2007 6:44 pm
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| Dave Potter wrote: |
| Dialup is a dinosaur, and it imposes technical limits that simply make it impractical to attempt certain things that require high bandwidth. Larger downloads and streaming media are difficult to impossible with a dialup connection. The only remedy is paying for something faster. There's no other way to "fix" it. |
Yes and no. I was on dial-up until 2003 and frequently had to download huge files. I learned to tweak my modem Init string and to fine tune my TCP/IP MaxMtu and Receive Window settings in Windows to obtain the maximum sustainable flow rate. The results were not anywhere near what I get now, on DSL, but were acceptable for dial-up conditions, and better than stock V90 modem/Windows settings. In fact, I used to do on-site service calls to residences to tweak modem settings, and always got the customer a better throughput than they had before my tweaking. This is a dying art these days of cable and DSL broadband Internet, when what we call modems are in reality network bridges with credentials.
A modem tweak is definitely in order. After that, Earnie, you should look into signing up with an ISP that offers accelerated service for a nominal fee. I have information about this here, and here. You could also call your phone company to inquire about getting DSL.
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Dave Potter
From:
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Posted 28 Feb 2007 7:12 pm
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| Yes and no.... I learned to tweak my modem Init string and to fine tune my TCP/IP MaxMtu and Receive Window settings in Windows to obtain the maximum sustainable flow rate. The results were not anywhere near what I get now, on DSL... |
That's my point. I didn't say dialup settings can't be optimized. I just said there are limits to what can be done, and, to go beyond those limits, one has to invest in higher bandwidth technology.
(Edited to add: "or at least that's what I meant to say".)
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Wiz Feinberg
From:
Mid-Michigan, USA
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Posted 28 Feb 2007 8:40 pm
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| Dave Potter wrote: |
| I didn't say dialup settings can't be optimized. I just said there are limits to what can be done, and, to go beyond those limits, one has to invest in higher bandwidth technology. |
Correct! I was trying to explain the options the OP has should he have to remain on dial-up I'net. Ideally, he will explore DSL or cable I'net possibilities in his area. However, if no broadband option exists at his geo. location, tweaking the modem and MaxMtu is his best bet.
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