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Topic: The Steiner Lever? |
Stu Schulman
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Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 7 Feb 2007 10:42 am |
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Many years ago while living in Austin Tejas my friend Herb Steiner told me to try Raising my 9th string "D"up to an Eb on my E9th tuning while raising both E's to F with my LKL knee lever.I use it a lot with my "A" pedal Beez up to C#.I was wondering if anyone else uses this?being that there is a Franklin pedal I had to name this the "Steiner Lever".Stu
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Last edited by Stu Schulman on 7 Feb 2007 12:16 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Gabriel Stutz
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Chicago, USA
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Posted 7 Feb 2007 11:14 am
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Stu,
What do you raise your D to? I've been curious what else people are doing with that string. I've always lowered it to C# in my short career, but would like to try something else.
Gabriel |
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Stu Schulman
From:
Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 7 Feb 2007 12:15 pm
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Gabriel whoops! sorry,I raise the D up to an Eb.
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Gabriel Stutz
From:
Chicago, USA
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Posted 7 Feb 2007 12:17 pm
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| Thanks, Stu. That makes sense. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 7 Feb 2007 2:35 pm
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| Sorta ruins the diminished chord, don't it? |
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John Swain
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Winchester, Va
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Posted 7 Feb 2007 3:25 pm
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| It has to be on a separate kneelever! It is a nice change.I believe I discussed this with Herb once.A mutual friend , Lynn Frazier had tuned his 9th string to Eb and lowered it to D..JS |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 7 Feb 2007 3:29 pm
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b0b
It's a trade-off with the diminished chord. What it gives you is a diatonic scale on strings 10-6, in C# w/ p1 and lkl.
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10 9 8 7 6 string
C# D# E# F# G#
1 2 3 4 5 scale tone
It makes more sense in Db
Db Eb F Gb Ab |
I haven't used it, or thought of it, in decades, though when I had Sho~Bud put it on my guitar back in 72, Duane allowed as how it was a cool change.
Like I said, you lose that particular diminished inversion, but you get the scale right there. It's up to individual choice. Stu told me he uses it all the time.
'Tis sweet to be remembered, when you are far away.
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 7 Feb 2007 3:35 pm
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John
It would be handy to have it on a separate lever, but at the time I only had 4 on E9... still do, in fact  ... and they were all doing something else.
And the thought of coordinating TWO levers and a pedal simultaneously was too much for this spastic steeler.
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Jerry Hayes
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Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 8 Feb 2007 3:39 am
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Stu, the late Winnie Winston had that change on his guitar but he did it separate from the E to F raises. I wonder if you had another knee lever which lowered your D to C# and activated it at the same time with your "F" lever if you'd get your diminished chord as it theoretically would cancel out the 9th string raise. I tried the D to D# raise on my guitar at one point and found it useful but I just didn't have enough levers to leave it on. It's nice on single string work on fast passages to have a couple of notes on adjoining strings which are only a half tone apart, makes for some interesting licks. I tune my 9th string to C# and raise it to D which I like a bunch........JH in Va.
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Stu Schulman
From:
Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 8 Feb 2007 10:05 am
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Jerry,I'll look into it.Stu
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Dan Beller-McKenna
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Durham, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 14 Feb 2007 9:18 am
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I got frustrated this morning trying to work out a lush intro chord-melody to "This can't be love" and kept coming up against the 9th string D when trying to strum a chord. Pulled the rod out and stuck it in the raise slot, re-tuned 9th string to C# and gave it a try. I suppose I could get used to this change a la Jerry (and I did switch my a pedal to lower the 10th string to A about a year ago-never looked back). But I use the open 9th string so much it seems like too much work at the moment.
But here's another idea: does anyone lower the 9th string a half step on the same lever that lowers 4 and 8 a half step? This would give you that diatonic scale run (B-C#-D#) on the bottom; would also make it a pretty stiff knee lever I suppose. Anyone tried this??
Dan
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