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Topic: Adding some new U12 pulls |
Fred Glave
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McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 25 Jan 2007 3:14 pm |
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I'm getting 2 new bellcranks for my Sierra Crown, and want to put one on RKL so I can lower 9th string B to Bb. Right now I only lower 5th string B to Bb. I was thinking of putting the other one on LKR to lower 11th string E to Eb. Right now I just lower strings 4 & 8 E to Eb. Does this sound like a good addition, or am I not seeing a problem? Sorry guys I edited this to mean LKR for my E strings.
Last edited by Fred Glave on 26 Jan 2007 8:25 am; edited 3 times in total |
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 25 Jan 2007 5:49 pm
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A couple of things on the 11th string E-Eb lower - I assume by your description that your E-lever is RKR.
First, it may increase the stiffness of the E-lever. That could be annoying if you hold that in a lot playing universal. I found it that way when I tried it on my 14-string Sierra Crown.
The other thing is that it disrupts the normal C6 pattern in your B6. In C6, the strings go, from bottom to top, 1,4,6,1,3,5,6,1,3, with the top string 5 or 2 depending on which approach you take. If you lower E-Eb on string 11, it will be 1,3,6,1,3,5,... with a B root. I guess it depends on whether you want the standard universal or something different. |
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David Doggett
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Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 25 Jan 2007 7:47 pm
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I agree with Dave that lowering string 11 along with 8 and 4 would be a bad idea. One of the great secrets of C6 is that using the 9th string as the root it is an F maj7 9 neck. That is a great movable chord for all kinds of jazz, from swing to bossa nova. Of course, on an E9/B6 uni, using the 11th string as the root in B6 mode, this is an E maj7 9 chord. The great thing about a uni is that we already are familiar with the E neck frets. Forget about B6 and play your uni as an E maj7 9 neck for awhile using the 11th string as the root. I think you will soon agree you never want to give that up.
If you are looking for something to do with those extra bell cranks, be sure you have raises on your low strings for the A and B pedals, and the F lever. I wouldn't have a uni without those changes, but many unis come without them.
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Lee Baucum
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McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 25 Jan 2007 7:52 pm
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On the knee lever that lowers the two E's one-half step, you could add an additional pull to lower the second string a full step, to C#. That is a very useful note to have available when playing the B6 side of the tuning.
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 25 Jan 2007 8:00 pm
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| Oh, yeah, that C# change on string 2 has become so second nature with me, I forget it is not standard. It makes your B6 mode like an 11 string C6 with both a D and G on top. And in E9 mode, that change gives a scale note with that G#min chord you get when you lower the Es. Many people are putting that change on both unis and 10-string E9. |
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Fred Glave
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McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 26 Jan 2007 7:38 am
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Sorry guys, I'm goofy! I meant that I lower my Es on LKR. My copy editor is on vacation.  |
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Fred Glave
From:
McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 26 Jan 2007 8:52 am
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| I'm already raising all of the Es to F and it isn't stiff. I think Dave is probably right regarding keeping the 11th string E the way it is. I'v already got a lot of movement on the lower strings with pedal A&B. I like the 2nd string to C# idea, but I was trying to save that one for when I add a half stop on my RKR D# to D pull. |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 26 Jan 2007 11:45 am
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Hey Fred, the 2nd string lower to C# needs to be activated with something else and not raising the 9th string to D. It's best to put it with your E lowers on 4 & 8 as it'll give you the same as a C6th with the D on top and with your 1st string F# that's the same as having a C6th with both the G and D on top.... I tune my 2nd string to C# so I already have that. One change you might consider is adding a pull on your "C" pedal which raises the 11th string E to F#. That gives you a "Power Chord" position on strings 10, 11, & 12. For that "Memphis" type low string riff you add in your "B" pedal. To test this out, just tune your 11th string E to F# then play strings in this order 12 11 12 10 12 10..raised with the "B" pedal, 12 10... The voiceing used should sound like the low guitar part on "Honky Tonk"..............JH in Va.
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Fred Glave
From:
McHenry, Illinois, USA
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Posted 27 Jan 2007 12:36 pm
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| Thanks for the tips guys. I think that lowering the D# to C# might be worth exploring. The half stop thing on RKR might be a little tough to master. |
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