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Topic: As per.Reece's Post, Can you name This Steel |
Herbie Meeks
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Posted 21 Dec 2006 9:48 am |
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Can you guess what kind of steel I am playing on this SC post ? lousy picking, and age taking it's toll on the hands,
Been reading the discussions on Reece's Post.
This Steel is plugged into a small 65 watt Crate Amp, Recorded on a Sony Cassette Recorder, Background,Bass,Drums,etc. a cheap Keyboard,
Anyhow, there is definintly, a difference in
in Steel Guitars, no matter what Amp you use
This Steel happens to have been my favorite
for 30+ years. picked through several different Amps, Sound systems in large places, miked and controled by a sound man,
All that did not change the sound.
http://www.soundclick.com:80/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=261574
Herbie
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Herbie Meeks
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 21 Dec 2006 10:05 am
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b0b all the Steel Tunes, Same Steel
Herbie
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David L. Donald
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Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 21 Dec 2006 9:34 pm
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Herbie, I gotta say the cassette recording makes it very unclear,
My guess is not a PP,
beyond that the clarity isn't there to tell much.
Sorry,
but I do appreciate the chalenge offring to all![This message was edited by David L. Donald on 22 December 2006 at 03:22 AM.] |
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Herbie Meeks
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 21 Dec 2006 10:21 pm
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Hi David
Dave when that Steel Guitar was manufactured
Analog recording was all we had to record with. I don't believe the Tape changes the sound, if anything Analog warms the sound up a bit, Before converting it to mp3.
it was just recorded Flat, no effects added.
Thanks for the response,
And Merry Christmas, In Thialand,
Herbie
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Rick Nicklas
From:
Verona, Mo. (deceased)
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Posted 21 Dec 2006 10:54 pm
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Herbie, I don't know what steel your pickin but I do enjoy the tone. Hey, you need to come to our next meeting in Branson (February) and sit next to me so I can catch a few of those interesting licks.
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Kline Cadillac U-12, Nashville 112 and 1000, Hilton Volume Pedal
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Chris LeDrew
From:
Canada
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Posted 21 Dec 2006 11:36 pm
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| That's an Emmons push-pull........you can hear that ethereal quality in the higher register. It's consistent throughout all the audio and video links to the push-pull guitars. [This message was edited by Chris LeDrew on 21 December 2006 at 11:36 PM.] |
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 22 Dec 2006 3:24 am
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I heard clearly a PP on Jim Cohen's cd when challenged.
I know Herbie has an Emmons, (cause I looked after posting)
But it doesn't say pp or ap.
But the tape was to wavery for me to really make a proper choice.
I have heard AP's with the same tone.
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 22 Dec 2006 5:44 am
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I would admittedly not be one who could pick out a particular steel's tone, not having heard as many as most - but I have to agree the recording clarity and flutter would make it an almost impossible excercise in this case.
That being said, I hear things both reminiscent of Fenders and Herb Steiner's wraparound, but with maybe more sustain than a Fender usually demonstrates; so if I HAD to give an answer (I will instead take a WAG) I would say a PP of some type. But it also sounds a lot like sounds I can get with my two-pickup, short-scale 400 in the middle (both) pickup position, so a Fender would be my second choice.
Please don't jump me for being wrong - again, I have not heard, in a relatively sterile environment, more than maybe 15% of the brands out there and just a few models of each. I'm just taking a stab at it for fun. |
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Herbie Meeks
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 22 Dec 2006 7:05 am
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If any of you boys are listening through the (Mickey Mouse) Speakers. that come with Computers, Those speakers leave a lot to be desired. ( Not saying better speakers would make my picking any better) But, The Sound of The Steel, would be more recognizable, [[No matter who is pickin at Austin ]]
Just trying to prove, Steel Guitars do have a different sound, no matter what kind of Amp. Digital recording, or Analog,
if not doctored up with ,sound effects,
Thanks for the Invite to Branson, would love to be there, just to listen , and get acquainted , and swap tales with you Boys/Gals.
Herbie
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Herbie Meeks
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2006 2:20 pm
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Chris LeDrew.
You are right, It is a Emmons S 10, serial # 1200-S Dean Markley, Ordered it for me in early 1970's when Dean had his first small Music Store, In Santa Clara, California, Think I paid Dean off at about 20 bucks a week, Dean phoned Emmons factory, the factory was months behind on filling orders,
I needed the Steel at that time, like "Yesterday" after talking to Buddy a few minutes, He said let me check the line,
He came back on the phone, saying He had pulled a Black one off the line, asked how I wanted it set up, He said they would finish it , and ship it By Air Freight, which they did, it was delivered to Deans Store the next Day, I have played it for over 30 years I have never had a problem with it,
Herbie
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Ray Riley
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Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2006 8:16 pm
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| I could tell cause it was BLACK !!!!!!!!!!! Ray yuk-yuk |
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Herbie Meeks
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2006 9:30 pm
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I agree , there is something about The Black Material, also the Aluminum Fret board
also, possibly the old pickup windings used on these Steels
Herbie
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Twayn Williams
From:
Portland, OR
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Posted 25 Dec 2006 9:51 pm
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Chris LeDrew wrote:
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| That's an Emmons push-pull........you can hear that ethereal quality in the higher register. It's consistent throughout all the audio and video links to the push-pull guitars. |
Wow, he's right! I can hear what the high register does, which is nothing like the high register on my GFI. And I've heard the same quality in all the PP videos posted. Must be the tonal signature of that kind of guitar. |
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David L. Donald
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Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 25 Dec 2006 11:30 pm
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Herbie,
I was listening on my studio monitors
Genelec 1032,s with 1094 subwoofer,
in a RPG "Studio in a Box" side wall,
/Modex Corner and Skyline diffusor equiped room.
I think I can safely say I heard reasonable reproduction of what was presented. |
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Herbie Meeks
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2006 6:32 am
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David,
Thanks, I have some fairly good speakers, and a subwoffer, with a mixing board, that I use after recording, the bottom, and go sound on sound with the cassette recorders.
The mixing board, allows me to alter the cassette recordings, Pan, Bass, Low, Mid. and Hi. Just goofing around with what I have, Knowing I can not get a good clean recording. But what the heck,,,I also can,t compete ,Musically, with most, But It Is enjoyable to mess around, Trying.
Maybe a new Steel player will hear some simple stuff that can be used on His Steel
Herbie
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Herbie Meeks
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2006 1:31 pm
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Chris LeDrew
You was right , Emmons S-10 Push Pull
Do you know how I can find the year it was
manufactured ?
The only numbers I see underneath, that looks like a serial number
is, 1200-S
Herbie
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 26 Dec 2006 1:56 pm
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| Proof positive of inherent tone being identified to a particular brand of steel guitar. |
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Jim Sliff
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Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2006 5:51 pm
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Gee, and a poor "beginner" even got it right.
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Herbie Meeks
From:
Arkansas, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2006 6:18 pm
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Kevin
I will toss this in , Pee Wee Whitewing
has played this Steel, Also Zane Beck, Pee Wee stopped by where I was playing my last steady sit down job,in Wister, Oklahoma, I have known Pee Wee since He first started playing Lap Steel,at Campbell,CA, several of us Okies started Lap steel out there about the same time, Pee Wee has relatives in that part of Oklahoma,
But, If he left any of his licks on there,
I can't find them. I never met Zane until I moved back home to Arkansas, Although I had picked a couple of His Steels, I had the privelige to sit up My Steel, end to end, with Zane's and played a four hour gig with Zane and the last band He played with,at Little Rock, Arkansas,
Where did all those years go, so fast. and we lost a fine Steel Man, Zane, and a prince of a fellow, He was always ready to help any
who asked.
Herbie
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Reece Anderson
From:
Keller Texas USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 26 Dec 2006 7:04 pm
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| Kevin H....Interesting comment. What brand of steel guitar do you play? |
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 26 Dec 2006 9:20 pm
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Reece, 1968 Zane Beck built ZB Custom D-10. I really wish I had known Zane Beck. Some how I feel like I do know him.
Herbie, thats a wonderful story.[This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 26 December 2006 at 09:23 PM.] [This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 26 December 2006 at 11:53 PM.] |
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David L. Donald
From:
Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 26 Dec 2006 9:41 pm
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Herbie
I really like Pee Wee Whitewing's playing with Lefty Frizzel.
Nice stuff. |
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Franklin
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Posted 27 Dec 2006 4:51 am
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Herbie,
Nice sounding guitar. Your hands are inspired by the guitars sound. If you posted yourself playing several different brands I doubt the conclusion would be the same. That is Reece's proposed test.
Merry Christmas.
Paul[This message was edited by Franklin on 27 December 2006 at 05:03 AM.] |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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so we don't look like total fools here... 