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Topic: Would Jerry Garcia be welcome here? |
Mike Perlowin
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Posted 10 Jan 2006 3:26 pm |
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(assuming he was still alive.)
I just had to ask.
Lest there be any confusion, I have a lot of respect for Garcia. he was a fine guitarist, had a great career, and was a real scholar of American Folk music in all it's forms, and integrated it all into the Dead's music.
My problem is not with anything he did, but rather with those who think he is the world's greates steel player, and that what his ride on TYC represents the sum total of everything that can be done on the instrument. |
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Mike Weirauch
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Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe
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Posted 10 Jan 2006 3:33 pm
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| Would Jerry Garcia be welcome here? |
Mike, he's the world's greatest steel player. Haven't you ever listened to the song "Teach Your Children"? Where have you been hiding?  |
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Jim Peters
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St. Louis, Missouri, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 10 Jan 2006 3:38 pm
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| His sense of humor directed at himself would be welcome. JP |
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Frank Parish
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Nashville,Tn. USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2006 3:41 pm
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| I never was a Dead fan but I rocognize Garcias efforts as a musician and even have seen painted ties with his art work on them so he made a big enough noise to suit me. What I would give if I could talk to guys like Lennon, Garcia, or Hendrix. I'm sure there's enough guys here that would love to hear his opinions and outlook on the future of r/r and music in general. From where I'm listening, I don't see anybody out there right at this time that would equal the mind and talent of Hendrix or even Garcia for that matter. I think Lennon and McCartney were on a level of their own with no comparison at least at that time. Unfortunately as many of us that would like to hear Garcias comments on this forum, I think there could be a lot more here that isn't going to like him or his music in any shape, form or fashion.I would hope that if they didn't like him or his music that they'd refrain from being rude. |
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Craig A Davidson
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Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2006 3:52 pm
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| Mike, I think he would be welcome on here. I just will never try to put him on the same level musically as Buddy,Jimmy,Lloyd, or Paul. To me Jerry was a guitar player who picked up the steel and dabbled in it, like Ron Wood, or Bernie Leadon. They were good enough to get something out of it, but not accomplished to do a whole show. I am not stepping on toes saying this. I am just comparing. Of course I remember them from my pot induced days so maybe I am wrong. |
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Dave Zirbel
From:
Sebastopol, CA USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2006 3:53 pm
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| I thought everyone was welcome here. |
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David Wren
From:
Placerville, California, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2006 3:54 pm
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If Jerry Garcia was here, would he know it?
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Mike Cass
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Posted 10 Jan 2006 4:10 pm
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I had the pleasure of meeting Jerry Garcia and Bob Weir back in the early 70's in Mpls. Friends of friends etc,...we all ended up in a late night bluegrass jam session at the house I lived in(read commune). Id just returned home from a club gig and walked smack into that scene.... All the time JC was tearing up the 5 string(dont forget the missing digit!),he was looking at my spare steel sitting in the corner.
Talking with him many hours later,the first name out of his mouth was Buddy Emmons.
imho,as far as steel guitar went,his heart was in the right place. Y'all might want to catch a recording JC did a few years before he passed. I cant remember whose project it was,but he'd sure come a loooooooong way since TYC.
Yeah, I think he'd be welcome here,and judging from the recording I mentioned above,he;d give most of us a good run for our $$. Dont ever make the mistake of thinking that he never progressed from his beginnings on the steel guitar.[This message was edited by Mike Cass on 10 January 2006 at 04:20 PM.] |
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Chris Erbacher
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Sausalito, California, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2006 4:36 pm
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| okay, my two cents. he was a guy who played probably the most recognizable pedal steel part in almost all of popular music, after only playing it for 3 months, that's right, he had been playing for 3 months when he recorded that, how many members can claim that one? he would be the first to say he wasn't as good a steel player as most of the great ones listed above, just good enough to get the job done when it counted and get a lot of us hooked on steel after hearing it, for that alone he is welcome here. when i took a lesson with barry sless and asked him what got him to play the steel 30 some years ago, he told me TYC, goes to figure. he was smarter than people give him credit. |
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Bruce W Heffner
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Payson, Arizona
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Posted 10 Jan 2006 4:50 pm
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Of course he would be welcome, as anyone, well almost anyone, should be on this forum. Steel guitar needs all the fans it can get.
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Ray Montee
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Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 10 Jan 2006 4:53 pm
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"Teach Your Children".........
Can someone put it up for the whole world to hear? |
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Mike Winter
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Portland, OR
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Posted 10 Jan 2006 5:09 pm
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And if he did visit here, it would've been as a humble student...that's how he approached music in general. He never did think he had arrived. He would've absolutely dug picking some of your seasoned "player" brains. No doubt he would've agreed about the general consensus regarding his admitted limited ability, but probably wouldn't have understood how some folks let pride get in the way of welcoming a student they didn't like. It's funny, you'd think that playing the world's most recognizable pedal steel intro would swell a fella's head...but it didn't swell his. Ask those that knew him best. Then there's that last tasteful, single note at the end of last vocal line of the song. (Thanks Dave G.) Yeah, I'd welcome him...and RR, too. 
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Mark Eaton
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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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Posted 10 Jan 2006 9:43 pm
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Garcia would fit right in here-and with his wit and sense of humor -he'd really lighten this place up!
Not to mention, as Mike alluded to, he was quite a student of American musical history, roots and tradition, and he could teach us plenty about that.
Along with being an avid scuba diver, he quite possibly had the finest collection of black tee shirts in existence.
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David L. Donald
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Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 10 Jan 2006 9:54 pm
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He loved the steel guitar.
He worked at playing it.
He was musically wide ranging
and had an open mind.
Most would welcome him here.
A few caught in their old paterns,
unwilling to bend to anything
not from their life as THEY see,
would turn their backs.
A very few others would decide he is
"just bad", devils spawn, a degrading "hippie" etc,
and make a short term, limited effort to drive him off.
It wouldn't work,
he wouldn't care particularly,
and would hang with those who got on with him,
and he'd comment from his point of view on various steel topics.
And those comments would likely be quite pertenant.
Life would go on.
He'd be more than welcome as far as I am concerened.
I also could give a hang about "technique level",
I still like TYC when ever I hear it
[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 10 January 2006 at 09:57 PM.] |
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Ron !
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Posted 10 Jan 2006 10:05 pm
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David.....you missed your calling my friend.
Ron
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[This message was edited by Ronald Steenwijk on 10 January 2006 at 10:13 PM.] |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2006 11:34 pm
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| If he were to apply for membership, I'd have to deny it. We don't allow Dead people to post. |
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Jim Cohen
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Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 11 Jan 2006 3:38 am
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Charlie McDonald
From:
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Posted 11 Jan 2006 4:16 am
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In the world of initials, TYC is recognized on this forum. Some names are known by their initials, but very few songs, thus distinguishing Garcia's legacy from that of some 'world-class' players.
But, from another topic:
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| Besides, if RR was here and Garcia was a member also, who would some of us whine about on here? |
I'm sure JG would be welcome, and he would probably have given as good as he got, and with humor. |
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Mike Weirauch
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Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe
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Posted 11 Jan 2006 5:04 am
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Isn't that discrimination? |
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Andy Sandoval
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Bakersfield, California, USA
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Posted 11 Jan 2006 6:36 am
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| Here you go Ray, and for others who have never heard Teach Your Children. Like others, I too was inspired by this tune to want to learn to play this wonderfully beautiful instrument. [This message was edited by Andy Sandoval on 11 January 2006 at 06:41 AM.] |
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Jim Peters
From:
St. Louis, Missouri, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 11 Jan 2006 6:52 am
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That's probably the millionth time I've heard that intro, it still makes me smile! 
Technique and chops has nothing to do with it. JP[This message was edited by Jim Peters on 11 January 2006 at 06:52 AM.] |
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 11 Jan 2006 7:53 am
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| That's even better than I remembered. Not the greatest lead work ever, but passable, with some really sweet spots that fit the mood of this beautiful song. And dang impressive for a 3 month newbie. It certainly has grabbed millions of listeners and created friends of the pedal steel guitar. Sometimes newer students of the instrument come up with fresh lines that are musically more interesting than a series of hack licks from someone technically better who is in a conventional rut. Are there full time steelers who could have done it better? Most certainly. Are there plenty of experienced hacks who would have done something completely forgettable? Oh yeah. [This message was edited by David Doggett on 11 January 2006 at 07:54 AM.] |
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 11 Jan 2006 7:54 am
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| The ending still blows me away. Its like he was signing the "Your truly, Jerry Garcia". Just great. He was one of a kind. |
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David L. Donald
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Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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Posted 11 Jan 2006 7:54 am
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We don't allow Dead people to post.
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Isn't that discrimination?
Yeah, but who's gonna sue?
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Joey Ace
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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